Envoy vs. PSA | Pay Rate Comparison
 

While our negotiating committee is out busy flying the system because we are short-staffed on captains, I just wanted to post this "public service announcement" (:rolleyes:) that PSA pilots are earning more than us. You know, the ones that have historically undercut repeatedly?

Anyway, this doesn't account for Envoy pay banding, SAP, work rules, etc. that would also make Envoy a less desirable place to work, but you get the idea:

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#FUPM
#MEGA

The 175 CA rates might be very misleading to potential new hires. Perhaps just list all at the same rate. Ex., year 4 CA on the E145/175/CRJ is equal to $72 and not $76, making the difference between ENVOY and PSA look as bad as it truly is.



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Yeah, that really needs to be corrected. What equipment you're on has nothing to do with pay here. Anyone hired today will be on the what's shown above as the 145 rates for several years. What's shown as the 175 pay is just a higher banded pay that is seniority based. I'm not sure where the crossover point to the higher rate would be for a new hire today but it won't be for several years.

Wow Pay sucks at Envoy!

I’m an E175 CA and high 700’s seniority # on my 4th year of pay and I’m still not in the higher pay band. (I’m paid as an e145 CA still). So when I see the rates listed for e175 CA posted, it comes off as grossly misleading. I know this lower pay banding must be misleading to others because I’ve had conversations with FO’s here that had no idea that they’d receive the e145 rate once they upgraded on the e175, and also because of the conversations I’ve had with peers at other regionals who were also completely baffled by it. My suggestion is that only the lower e145 rate should ever be posted/mentioned as that is the rate that all will be receiving until perhaps the year they flow. The currently posted e175 rates are not applicable, as you won’t see those for the large majority of your time as an Envoy CA, unless you choose to become a lifer, and even then you won’t see those rates for years and years as a CA here.


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These should show envoy vs endeavor rates instead of psa

I also agree with this but the incorrect Envoy rates needs to be corrected.

I said this when it was being negotiated. Actually suggested eliminating reference to aircraft types and using seniority based “group 1-3.” That ended up being called pay bands A, B & C.
It’s strictly a measure of seniority. It saves training cycles since you don’t need to go fly the bigger plane to make more money. The company is paying the same end result in salary either way. The only way the aircraft figure into it is the more E175’s, the more people in the higher pay band, and the lower the seniority required to get it. As 145’s go away and are replaced by 175’s more and more CA’s should go to the higher rate.
Knowing Envoy management, I’d bet there are at least a few dozen who should already be on 175 pay but the company is just waiting for somebody to notice and do the math.

I’m well aware of what it is. The point I’m making is that a potential new hire will not see the explanation of pay-banding next to the posted Envoy pilot pay rates on forums like APC. Therefore, it is misleading at best. Only the small RJ rates should be posted.


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You don’t say.