Originally Posted by dera (Post 2844318)

Very long story short:

SP was much more optimistic about the situation than anyone here. He said it's a bit of a Mexican Standoff right now, but they are still talking.

He also said, that the company does recognize the need for change.

AAG wouldn't say (obviously they wouldn't, that would be a bad negotiating strategy) what the breaking point was. The deal included things like automatic confirmation of profferings for next day, 12 min days off for reserves and so on. They are working on it.

He also said (and I will get shXt for this but whatever) that the best thing you can do, is to act professional, do your job, and avoid negotiating in public. He said that one of the strongest arguments they have on that table is that we are the best performing AA regional, and that's why we deserve the best compensation.

He partly blamed Pedro for the situation - PSA and Piedmont have been telling AA that they have issues, Pedro has been saying "everything's a-okay, we are doing great".

Let's see how you guys spin this. None of these are my words or opinions.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2844318)

Very long story short:

SP was much more optimistic about the situation than anyone here. He said it's a bit of a Mexican Standoff right now, but they are still talking.

He also said, that the company does recognize the need for change.

AAG wouldn't say (obviously they wouldn't, that would be a bad negotiating strategy) what the breaking point was. The deal included things like automatic confirmation of profferings for next day, 12 min days off for reserves and so on. They are working on it.

He also said (and I will get shXt for this but whatever) that the best thing you can do, is to act professional, do your job, and avoid negotiating in public. He said that one of the strongest arguments they have on that table is that we are the best performing AA regional, and that's why we deserve the best compensation.

He partly blamed Pedro for the situation - PSA and Piedmont have been telling AA that they have issues, Pedro has been saying "everything's a-okay, we are doing great".

Let's see how you guys spin this. None of these are my words or opinions.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2844318)

He said it's a bit of a Mexican Standoff right now, but they are still talking.

He also said, that the company does recognize the need for change.

He also said (and I will get shXt for this but whatever) that the best thing you can do, is to act professional, do your job, and avoid negotiating in public.

He partly blamed Pedro for the situation - PSA and Piedmont have been telling AA that they have issues, Pedro has been saying "everything's a-okay, we are doing great".

Originally Posted by dera (Post 2844318)

He also said (and I will get shXt for this but whatever) that the best thing you can do, is to act professional, do your job, and avoid negotiating in public. He said that one of the strongest arguments they have on that table is that we are the best performing AA regional, and that's why we deserve the best compensation.

Originally Posted by jonrayburn (Post 2844608)

Yet we're the only ones without a deal.... :confused::mad:

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2844613)

So you want the union to go running back to them and offer things to give up in order to get it done? The company needs this to get done more than we need it. They’re the ones who are going to see their staffing levels take a dive. It shouldn’t be up to ALPA to offer to give anything up that was agreed to. It’s not your fault or mine that Envoy screwed the pooch.

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2844613)

So you want the union to go running back to them and offer things to give up in order to get it done? The company needs this to get done more than we need it. They’re the ones who are going to see their staffing levels take a dive. It shouldn’t be up to ALPA to offer to give anything up that was agreed to. It’s not your fault or mine that Envoy screwed the pooch.

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2844613)

The company needs this to get done more than we need it. They’re the ones who are going to see their staffing levels take a dive.

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2844613)

So you want the union to go running back to them and offer things to give up in order to get it done? The company needs this to get done more than we need it. They’re the ones who are going to see their staffing levels take a dive. It shouldn’t be up to ALPA to offer to give anything up that was agreed to. It’s not your fault or mine that Envoy screwed the pooch.