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blackbox348 06-07-2019 06:21 PM

Envoy: The LOWEST paid Wholly Owned.
 
The highest performing, the lowest paid wholly owned, and the lowest paid in the industry. Going for GreAAt. You heard it here first.

Voski 06-07-2019 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2833603)
The highest performing, the lowest paid wholly owned, and the lowest paid in the industry. Going for GreAAt. You heard it here first.

New hires will flow to AA in 5.5 years, recruiting propaganda said so. That offsets the compensation discrepancies. :rolleyes:

rld1k 06-07-2019 07:30 PM

How did we come up with 5.5 years you may ask? Well email us at envoypilotrecruiting and we'll be happy to discuss it with you! We can't post it here because reasons

UnprotectdPilot 06-08-2019 08:57 AM

Fupm^2
 
Hey ENY MEC,

Since you're so set on "doing it right," how about pushing for the following:

At 6 years on property, ENY captain pay mirrors 737/320 FO rates AA. It'll give the company a ton of incentive to flow us at that projected 5.5 year flow they love to sell new hires on. :rolleyes: This scenario is about as likely as us getting any raise at this point, so might as well keep playing games.

iN uNiTy

BIueSideUp 06-08-2019 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot (Post 2833806)
Hey ENY MEC,

Since you're so set on "doing it right," how about pushing for the following:

At 6 years on property, ENY captain pay mirrors 737/320 FO rates AA. It'll give the company a ton of incentive to flow us at that projected 5.5 year flow they love to sell new hires on. :rolleyes: This scenario is about as likely as us getting any raise at this point, so might as well keep playing games.

iN uNiTy

I nearly spit my beer

UnprotectdPilot 06-08-2019 09:23 AM

https://i.imgur.com/zW0uvTd.jpg

ClearRight0528 06-10-2019 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by blackbox348 (Post 2833603)
The highest performing, the lowest paid wholly owned, and the lowest paid in the industry. Going for GreAAt. You heard it here first.

What wait APC profile says "highest paid regional"?!

HalyardJammer 06-10-2019 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by ClearRight0528 (Post 2834583)
What wait APC profile says "highest paid regional"?!

That's old.

buddies8 06-10-2019 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by ClearRight0528 (Post 2834583)
What wait APC profile says "highest paid regional"?!

In 1995 eagle pay was average then 911 we went to 13% below average since then everyone pulls ahead of us.
This place was never highest paid.

HalyardJammer 06-10-2019 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2834660)
In 1995 eagle pay was average then 911 we went to 13% below average since then everyone pulls ahead of us.
This place was never highest paid.

At best, we matched endeavor in 17.

martyByrde 06-13-2019 10:58 PM

It’s probably best to keep this at the top. We want it to be first thing lurkers see

NoValueAviator 06-14-2019 02:04 AM

Hey, as long as you live with mom and dad or have a trust fund and like working for people who harbor a lot of contempt for you, Envoy is still a great choice.

TalkTurkey 06-14-2019 09:09 AM

That’s the price y’all pay for under-the-wing time.

dvtpilot 06-14-2019 04:30 PM

FUPM

...Filler

UnprotectdPilot 06-14-2019 04:41 PM

#fupm
#mega

MEGAFUPM 06-14-2019 04:50 PM

Did someone call me

dvtpilot 06-14-2019 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2836901)
Did someone call me

Well done.

Effin A right we did. Loud and proud.

LowvalueFO 06-14-2019 08:23 PM

... #fupm ...

crosscheck95 06-14-2019 09:10 PM

Fupm
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fupm
fupm
fupm

blackbox348 06-14-2019 10:13 PM

#f
#u
#p
#m

BIueSideUp 06-15-2019 02:53 PM

FUPM Bump...

UnprotectdPilot 06-15-2019 03:29 PM

https://media.giphy.com/media/1rNWZu...434T/giphy.gif

pitchattitude 06-15-2019 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot (Post 2837358)

I love it!!!

martyByrde 06-15-2019 09:16 PM

Picketing when????

rld1k 06-15-2019 10:21 PM

On the plus side we got a new recruiting vid from swag martyn®

NoValueAviator 06-15-2019 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2837514)
On the plus side we got a new recruiting vid from swag martyn®

I miss the old hate thread not because it was classy or tasteful obviously but let’s be real it was justified. Anything that any of us do that helps sell the job here to sucker CFIs takes food off everybody’s plates.

Weekendwarrior2 06-15-2019 10:30 PM

Safety is our number on priority: This is great for new hires knowing we operate one of the safest airlines out there..what are some tips you guys have for everyone else out there to ensure safety is always at the top of our list?

blackbox348 06-15-2019 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2 (Post 2837519)
Safety is our number on priority: This is great for new hires knowing we operate one of the safest airlines out there..what are some tips you guys have for everyone else out there to ensure safety is always at the top of our list?

I taxi on two engines, leave the logo light off, and make sure that Mx comes out for any mechanical discrepancy in interest of passenger safety.

Weekendwarrior2 06-15-2019 10:49 PM

Safe call. Anything that seems trivial could be something much more serious. We aren’t mechanics for the airline, and getting it checked out is the safest course of action. I’d hope anyone would do the same especially when my family non revs on these flights.

fatman 06-15-2019 10:49 PM

C’mon bro. We all know how to play the game. The idea is to not post the rules.

Cyio 06-16-2019 03:32 AM


Originally Posted by fatman (Post 2837525)
C’mon bro. We all know how to play the game. The idea is to not post the rules.

This. Safety is our number one tenet here at Envoy. Look at each part of our operation and ensure it is being done in the safest way possible.

MochaSwirl 06-16-2019 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 2837514)
On the plus side we got a new recruiting vid from swag martyn®

Can’t wait to see him on the jetbridge.
Ohhhhhh I can’t wait.

KCaviator 06-16-2019 07:34 AM

But floooowwwwwwww

Ijustlikeflying 06-16-2019 07:45 AM

Laymans terms for people not working here
 
Lots of technically terms and stuff is being thrown around on here. In simple terms here is a short description of what went on the past few months / weeks leading up to yesterday’s union email for people observing from the outside.

1) In May after PSA announced their new pay rates our union went to work negotiating with the company for a similar or better raise.

2) initially the company wanted a laundry list of concessions (good things we have in our contract that they want us to give up) for a mediocre pay increase

3) things went back and forth but not much progress was made.

4) Piedmont announces their raises, and it puts more pressure on our company to make a deal with our union.

5) this week (the week of june 10) the union makes progress and reaches a deal with the company for some of the highlights listed below:

A) pay raises slightly larger than PSA’s with retroactive pay back to May 15
B) Pay our of sick balance upon flow to AA or retirement (currently it goes in the garbage if you flow or retire)
C) improved reserve rules including an increase in days off and more predictability
D) lower pilot healthcare costs
E) Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots

6) Friday June 14 the new agreement is written and ready to be ratified and the company in the later hours of the day advises our union that AAG said the company negotiators “exceeded their authority,” and backed out of the long, hard worked on deal.


Conclusion:
A good deal was made. Last minute AAG said “JK throw it in the trash.”

mketch11 06-16-2019 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying (Post 2837641)
Lots of technically terms and stuff is being thrown around on here. In simple terms here is a short description of what went on the past few months / weeks leading up to yesterday’s union email for people observing from the outside.

1) In May after PSA announced their new pay rates our union went to work negotiating with the company for a similar or better raise.

2) initially the company wanted a laundry list of concessions (good things we have in our contract that they want us to give up) for a mediocre pay increase

3) things went back and forth but not much progress was made.

4) Piedmont announces their raises, and it puts more pressure on our company to make a deal with our union.

5) this week (the week of june 10) the union makes progress and reaches a deal with the company for some of the highlights listed below:

A) pay raises slightly larger than PSA’s with retroactive pay back to May 15
B) Pay our of sick balance upon flow to AA or retirement (currently it goes in the garbage if you flow or retire)
C) improved reserve rules including an increase in days off and more predictability
D) lower pilot healthcare costs
E) Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots

6) Friday June 14 the new agreement is written and ready to be ratified and the company in the later hours of the day advises our union that AAG said the company negotiators “exceeded their authority,” and backed out of the long, hard worked on deal.


Conclusion:
A good deal was made. Last minute AAG said “JK throw it in the trash.”

I would make some slight changes in that the pay increases were not “slightly higher” than PSAs. They were of equal value to the pilot group regardless of the hard numbers. Outsiders looking in will most likely not understand the distinction nor the differences in contracts. Lastly, as I wasn’t there, we weren’t made aware which other improvements outside of pay were traded for “conceding” grievances. We have been sold this bill of goods in the past so I would get all the details first before portraying grievance settlements as straight improvements. I can give examples from the last loa if need be but I’d sound like a broken record so I won’t.

blackbox348 06-16-2019 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by ijustlikeflying (Post 2837641)
lots of technically terms and stuff is being thrown around on here. In simple terms here is a short description of what went on the past few months / weeks leading up to yesterday’s union email for people observing from the outside.

1) in may after psa announced their new pay rates our union went to work negotiating with the company for a similar or better raise.

2) initially the company wanted a laundry list of concessions (good things we have in our contract that they want us to give up) for a mediocre pay increase

3) things went back and forth but not much progress was made.

4) piedmont announces their raises, and it puts more pressure on our company to make a deal with our union.

5) this week (the week of june 10) the union makes progress and reaches a deal with the company for some of the highlights listed below:

A) pay raises slightly larger than psa’s with retroactive pay back to may 15
b) pay our of sick balance upon flow to aa or retirement (currently it goes in the garbage if you flow or retire)
c) improved reserve rules including an increase in days off and more predictability
d) lower pilot healthcare costs
e) several letters of intent and agreements including grievance settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots

6) friday june 14 the new agreement is written and ready to be ratified and the company in the later hours of the day advises our union that aag said the company negotiators “exceeded their authority,” and backed out of the long, hard worked on deal.


Conclusion:
A good deal was made. Last minute aag said “jk throw it in the trash.”

burn it to the ground

buddies8 06-16-2019 08:50 AM

Info to maint is a fools entry.
Flt crew placard takes mx union jobs.

MEGAFUPM 06-23-2019 07:33 AM

This week will be our 6th paycheck since the PSA raise.

Voski 06-23-2019 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2841847)
This week will be our 6th paycheck since the PSA raise.

Does the union have any negotiating meetings with the company on the books coming up?

MD-11Loader 06-23-2019 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 2841851)
Does the union have any negotiating meetings with the company on the books coming up?

There’s an MEC meeting next week. That would be the perfect opportunity to do so, but I doubt it will happen. Pedro and his team were basically put in their place last week. They now must realize that they are just figureheads and have no real clout (something we have all known). I would venture to guess that it will be awhile. Dig in boys and girls. Your non-guaranteed raises are a ways away.


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