You are completely wrong. Hell the union did great, the company screwed up. If we took just pay at this point it would be weak and anger many people.

How do you figure that the UNION went too far? They achieved a signed agreement in principal.

MANAGEMENT is the one saying they, themselves, went too far.

AIP or nothing should be everyone's stance right now.

You really don't get it, they got played like many times before ...

Meanwhile, the other 2 WO's get paid, while you get 0, nada, zilch.

Pedro saves millions on a monthly basis and looks good in the eyes of Daddy AA.

Yeah, because apparently “Great is what we’re going for.” Not progress. 🤔

Lot of newer accounts on here saying “pay raise now at any cost!” today.

Hold our ground for AIP, which includes backpay. It all works out.

Yeah way to be think the small game. You new here? If we get back pay what does it matter?

Our pay isn’t the same as PSA though. I assume you know that, correct? PSA is on a blended rare, we are on two scales for captains, which means over 60% of your captains make significantly less than the rest of them. The union found a way to mitigate that disparity which would have left the B scale pilots underpaid. I applaud them for that. I don’t just want a raise. I want a raise that puts my total compensation on par with or better than PSA. Anything else is unacceptable.

Hold the line!

Demand the AIP!

This right where. Nothing and I mean NOTHING less than this.

We should be on par with Endeavour honestly for all that we do.

Ya’ll should listen to MD-11 Loader more.

#WeWantTheAIP

#WeWantTheAIP+2

#WeWantTheAIP+3

I resemble that remark

#WeWantTheAIP+5


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Let's just fast forward to #GroupII-1

Yes but retro pay also to may 15 this years at least.

Bump
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LOWEST PAID and Firing pilots!! :mad::(

FOR THOSE STILL KEEPING TRACK

Monday will be:

1. Our 7th paycheck at significantly lower rates than PSA.

2. 103/105 days since the PSA raise announcement/back pay date.

3. 38/61 days since the Piedmont raise announcement/back pay date.

4. 30 days since Envoy backed out of the AIP.

5. The company will have saved (very conservatively) over $9 million by this time.

(Average $13/hr raise) x (40 hours credit average per pay period) x (7 pay periods) x (2500 pilots)

6. There probably will still be 20-25 new hires come Monday as well.

How many days since EDV pay raise?

I think that was the beginning of 18.

You can ***** all you want, as long as Envoy is filling classes (spoiler ALERT - they still do) Management sees no reason for raises, short and simple ...

DUI’s? Multiple checkride failures? Don’t know jack about IFR? Come to Envoy and flow to AA. We’re the new Mesa.

It's honestly embarrassing on behalf of AAG. There's so little discretion in hiring right now - hiring that will one day nine or more years from now [maybe] result in a mainline AA pilot. For a company that holds such high standards for their off-the-street hiring, they're doing a terrible job building up their future pipeline.

Raises must happen to attract quality applicants.

#ENVOYtheMESAofAAGwhollyowneds

Failure rate
 

Anybody know the failure rate on new hires? I would think the union should have access to that information. Someone said the reason the DEC program was shut down was high failure rate. I know first hand of several OTS hires that didn’t make it through training. But just because of the company’s spite for pilots, they would probably waste more money on training than pay for a quality product. They have certainly shown this to be the case with all that were forced to upgrade into the CRJ or 145 only to turn right around for another upgrade to what they wanted, or in at least one case, CRJ, then 145 and finally 175. I personally know of at least one that went 175-145-175 and another that was DEC and has gone 145-175 and is scheduled to go back to the 145. Not sure if he put a bid in to go back to the 175 on this bid or not.

Bottom line is the company could have avoided a lot of training waste and lost productivity but didn’t want to talk to the union because they knew there were things they would have to change that would benefit the pilots to change what would avoid the training churn.

They can also get better quality applicants and fewer failure with raises that would allow them to be more selective.

You can bet your tushi that they have run the numbers - just speaking from former employment it was a common practice and still was cheaper than paying higher wages across the board - so again, decent class sizes - no raises at all ... get used to it and bend over ... =) ... as the Union will absolutely not ruffle any feathers as pointed out many times before for various reasons.

A lot of current union members have been dealing with this mafia management team for better part of 2 decades.

They know what they are doing. I'm convinced you're new.

They aren't doing a very good job with their "2 decades of experience". Not sure that the experience is paying off. Envoy is one of the worst places to be right now.

Are you serious now ??? ... I am sure you are joking ... but hey how is that pay raise coming for ya? - or how about the new reserve rules?

Yeah I did not think so ... That 2 decades have done ****, they still get played just fine by management ...

I'm fine without a pay raise. I'd rather have what the union negotiated and what the company initially agreed to.

You posting the same thing over and over again doesn't change my mind.

Amen

Filler

My thoughts exactly.

Wait. You said two different things.

I’m fine without a pay raise. Really? No pay raise?

I'd rather have what the union negotiated and what the company initially agreed to.

While we don’t know the details, pretty sure the AIP included at least something close to pay parity. That’s what everyone has said they want. Pay increase with out concessions.

Yeah I have to agree. I haven’t been able to follow the logic of their posts.

What he meant was we aren't twisting our panties in a knot for A pay raise right MEOW. We want good and proper AIP or better.

Fine with WAITING for a pay raise to get the AIP, or better. And back pay.

Endeavor is growing this fall, adding 60 pilots per month. That will put pressure on our recruiting (and everyone else).

I have seen their ads on facebook recently for Pilots. This is good news