negotiating with the wrong MGT
 

Envoy Management is talking with AAG every week on what to do. Why can't our MEC negotiate directly with AAG Management instead. My understanding of Envoy Management is basically AAG secretaries

ENY management made an agreement. Make them stick to it. There’s no need to negotiate anything.

Any truth to the rumor of an FO exodus to L3 for better pay?

If you mean the government contractor, doubtful. Maybe some will punch in the short term. The first year at a regional always has a fairly high attrition rate.

Those jobs do provide some incredible opportunities. But a pathway to a major is not one of them. Incredible pay. Can’t be touched by anything short of a major captain, several years in and great time off.

But, very few people can do that kind of thing for more than a few years at a time if that. People will always drift in and out of those jobs.

If you want to fly for a major, you need to fly 121. If you really need the money, contacting is a good way, but if you don’t have the type of time the majors are looking for, you will be back to a regional to get it. Maybe by then Envoy will have better pay, but you still have to look at the long term. What will get you to a major and that top tier pay soonest.

I know of a few guys looking into it, one was in middle of interview process.

It's all the RTP guys, L3 will pay off their current contract.

A lot of the RTP guys are now bailing for Flexjet, JetBlue, Spirit and some getting into legacy OTS. Recently upgraded or about to upgrade types.

Yeah. They have the clearance and now the ratings. Even without the payoff, the money is good enough. But like I said, it’s tough to do for more than a few years, and if you want to fly 121, you will be back to a regional.

A lot of them don’t care for 121. Look at the age of a lot of the RTP’s

Let’s face it, 121 isn’t for everyone and Envoy in particular can put a pretty bad taste in your mouth.

There are a lot of reasons for the high attrition rate the first year.