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Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
(Post 3258979)
So stop playing victim the numbers do not support your claims, but the flight deck is an echo chamber and a great deal of you want to keep playing victim.
You aren’t asking for equal opportunity, you are asking for equality of outcome. It ain’t the same thing, dude. |
Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
(Post 3258979)
Look at it from the other side of the coin, what would news headlines look like if they posted an article every time there was a white male flight deck crew? Would you even see any other news? Hah
also, and this has been stated numerous times, the United program is not saying they are only hiring minorities. You can still interview and get the job, and just because of the sheer numbers of current pilots it will still be white male. But their ground up zero to hero program? That’s what they are discussing, which won’t even be the bulk of their hires. So that’s still less than half of a half. All you have to do is look at current new hire classes at majors and you’ll see who still remains the majority. Look at all the recent attrition at envoy, was it all the women and black pilots? I don’t think so. The fact is, at the end of the day when you go to class at a major the majority of the class will still be white males. So stop playing victim the numbers do not support your claims, but the flight deck is an echo chamber and a great deal of you want to keep playing victim. It doesn’t matter if 90% of the current employees are blue “it’s”, or available future hires are blue “it’s”. |
Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
(Post 3258968)
Lol. Dude, stop with the victim complex. Stop making excuses which are verifiably not true, even off the street hires favor white males. And that’s because the majority of pilots are also white males, it’s a numbers thing. Just stop pretending to be such a victim in life, you’re not one. Take some responsibility.
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Wow, didn’t mean to trigger so many of you with challenging your world view. Sorry to offend when reality does not conform to your feelings. Seriously, go look at any new hire class and tell me what you see. How often are there all male new hire classes? You’re not a minority, nor are you going to be. The vast majority of new hire slots will still go to white males in this industry. Find a new boogeyman as to why you’re not getting a call from the majors. Have a happy 4th of July!
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Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
(Post 3259054)
Wow, didn’t mean to trigger so many of you with challenging your world view. Sorry to offend when reality does not conform to your feelings. Seriously, go look at any new hire class and tell me what you see. How often are there all male new hire classes? You’re not a minority, nor are you going to be. The vast majority of new hire slots will still go to white males in this industry. Find a new boogeyman as to why you’re not getting a call from the majors. Have a happy 4th of July!
Take your BS over to Twitter or whatever social media of your choice, where it will go unchallenged. |
Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay
(Post 3259054)
Wow, didn’t mean to trigger so many of you with challenging your world view. Sorry to offend when reality does not conform to your feelings. Seriously, go look at any new hire class and tell me what you see. How often are there all male new hire classes? You’re not a minority, nor are you going to be. The vast majority of new hire slots will still go to white males in this industry. Find a new boogeyman as to why you’re not getting a call from the majors. Have a happy 4th of July!
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numbers are numbers man. Just look at the off the street hires. 60 were non-military. 80 were female/minority. Best guess is the 60 non-military off the street hires…… probably female/minority. That would leave 20 female/minority military trained pilots. Or about 10%, which falls closely in line with how many female/minority pilots there are in the military. The point is, yeah, look at any new hire class. Full of white dudes. But the ones that aren’t military, probably had something else going for them. |
Originally Posted by fatman
(Post 3259167)
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numbers are numbers man. Just look at the off the street hires. 60 were non-military. 80 were female/minority. Best guess is the 60 non-military off the street hires…… probably female/minority. That would leave 20 female/minority military trained pilots. Or about 10%, which falls closely in line with how many female/minority pilots there are in the military. The point is, yeah, look at any new hire class. Full of white dudes. But the ones that aren’t military, probably had something else going for them. |
Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
(Post 3259204)
Cool chart, this conversation is referring to Major hiring, not regional.
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH
(Post 3259207)
So…. Are you saying AA is a regional?
It’s also a chart from 2017? That’s not necessarily accurate to recent hiring trends. |
The vast majority of people trying to be pilots are white males, so there's that. Not that there's a selection bias, it's just what the pool of applicants is mostly comprised of.
People have the freedom to make their own career choice and this is evident accross many fields. IE most nurses are women. Etc Has nothing to do with any kind of bias or special privilege. |
Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
(Post 3256189)
Unreal isn’t it. I mean I think it’s like 35k but to your point doesn’t even matter when daddy buys it. However, those that came before us and still are fighting for better wages and QOL I can’t help but think this is a result of that what obviously is a good thing, but I hope the next gen will appreciate what those have done to get us to this point
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