Come to Envoy?
 

Currently FO at xjt thinking about applying to Envoy. Have about 15 years before retirement. How’s life at Envoy?Is the flow legit? Thanks.

Your time to flow will be 7+ years, likely 9.

Are you OK with a commute to NY and then ORD for a while? You will be immediately upgraded to captain on the 145. The next two plus years or so will be on reserve. Probably what it will take to hold a on the 145 in DFW.

Do not come here for the flow. If you are coming to make captain, that is fine, but again expect the next 18 months or so commuting to reserve if you’re local to DFW. Maybe hold a line in ORD sooner.

Have you considered Spirt?

You would be far better off at an ULCC. If you need to come here for recently passed fed rides or something that is one thing, but I would jump out ASAP. Coming in as you are will look like forced upgrades, crappy commutes and perpetual reserve.

If you live in New York or Chicago it will be far more bearable. Lastly, flow for you would look like 5+ years at the low end, close to 9 at the high end.

I’m too new to give an opinion but I did come from XJT for the upgrade and because I live near Dallas. I spent 2.5 years in reserve at xjt.


I’m on the 175 now but I am upgrading to the 145 in December.

I don’t have a problem with it but I have to ask because I don’t understand why someone does this.

Why do you choose the 175 as a new hire when you know you will be forced to upgrade to the 145? Seems like you’re just making life hard for yourself. No?

Free type > line on resume > more marketable > make money

Also to the OP
Low seniority captain life is not fun. 2-2.5 years reserve at most junior base... longer for DFW.
Pretty much any QOL goes out the window due to staffing, getting JM, or just additional flying.
Unpredictable proffers for standby and RAP.
Fly with 50hr FOs that know nothing (some are great) and 900 hr FOs that think they are the captain and almost no in-between.

Haven’t you asked me this before? My answer is the same.

In new hire class I was offered a seat on an aircraft based in Dallas (home) or an aircraft based in NYC.

I chose the one in Dallas.

Had they offered 145 Dallas or 175 ORD, I’d have still chosen DALLAS.


Even if it’s only a temporary convenience, it’s a convenience nonetheless. If it’s “harder” because I have to go to training on a new aircraft (that I’ve already flown for 3 years) the simple answer is no. I don’t think it is. Training events are a big part of this career.

It’s pretty smart in a way. Anything that will take time away from commuting to reserve in NY counts

At xjt (which had great people) I was always going to commute. Line or reserve. I commuted to reserve as the dead last FO in CLE for a year, then two years of reserve in IAH before I could get a relief line. it is what it is. I took these jobs, knowing what reserve was all about. I don’t mind earning my seniority for QOL.

It wasn’t any different at XJT. “Hey I’m number 7 in the bucket and can’t even qualify for any flight longer than 38 minutes before timing out. Can I catch this last flight home so I don’t have to stay another night?”


Denied.


Due to coverage. 😂