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dera 01-08-2020 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2953691)
You can lose OT pay if it carries over into the next month and touches a reserve day on your next month's bid and gets recoded as voluntary reserve flying (flying fly free).

That's what RF 100 TRAN is for.
You CAN lose it, but you don't have to.

Tyrion 01-08-2020 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2953835)
I don't think you understand what that part means. If you read it, slowly, you might figure it out.
Think how OT is awarded for reserves, and what restrictions they have. How do you think this situation would occur? Pay close attention to the "same calendar month" part. It's pretty important.

Wait... earlier you said that I can't lose OT. Now I have to read slowly for some reason? Oh yeah, because you were wrong. I know exactly what it means because I live it. You haven't had to endure the Envoy reserve system, you have no idea what happens. It only applies to a third of the pilots on the line, but you're not one of them.

How does this situation occur? Hmmm... Well, let's say that I pick up OT on the 10th... a nice 4.5 hours of credit for a 3 hour turn. This months schedule ends 5 on, 2 off, 3 on. On the 20th, the next month schedule gets awarded. It starts 4 on 2 off 5 on....

So, if I combine those together I get 5 on, 2 off, 7 on, 2 off, 5 on. Oops, there's a 7 day... need to split that up. Can I request a specific day off? Nope. Can I swap days to resolve this issue? Nope, denied due to staffing.

I can opt to let scheduling adjust my schedule at their discretion (yikes), but sliding a day changes it to 5 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 2 off, 5 on. Ouch. Or 5 on, 2 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 1 off, 5 on. Not better.

Or, I can let them drop a day, giving me 5 on, 2 off, 2 on, 1 off, 4 on, 2 off 5 on. This costs me 3.9 hours of my 4.5 hours of overtime... meaning I worked on a day off for .6 hours of pay. Cha-ching.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT PAY PROTECTED!!!!!

How often is there a 7 day conflict between reserve lines?... just about every single month.

Is this industry leading pay protection? Absolutely not.

Crimson37Roger 01-09-2020 12:29 AM

30 in 7 =/= 7 day conflict.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

dera 01-09-2020 02:36 AM


Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2953894)

So, if I combine those together I get 5 on, 2 off, 7 on, 2 off, 5 on. Oops, there's a 7 day... need to split that up. Can I request a specific day off? Nope. Can I swap days to resolve this issue? Nope, denied due to staffing.

I can opt to let scheduling adjust my schedule at their discretion (yikes), but sliding a day changes it to 5 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 2 off, 5 on. Ouch. Or 5 on, 2 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 1 off, 5 on. Not better.

So you just said you are pay protected, but might not like the schedule?

MEGAFUPM 01-09-2020 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2953836)
That's what RF 100 TRAN is for.
You CAN lose it, but you don't have to.

Yes you lose the pay... You can keep the flying if you want it but don't get paid for it besides guarantee, or you can keep the reserve day and drop the flying, also unpaid.

Tyrion 01-09-2020 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2953912)
So you just said you are pay protected, but might not like the schedule?

No. Being "given the opportunity" to work a different day and crappier schedule is not a pay protection. Pay protection is, you lost pay, through no fault of your own, but you get paid anyway.

It is frightening how much you don't know and what you think is acceptable in this industry.

Fonzo 01-14-2020 12:52 PM

Like where
 

Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2953221)
The pay should not be a draw to come to Envoy.

Your pay is based off of two things... hourly rate and hours you credit multiplied together.

Envoy has a decent hourly rate, but the hours you can credit are horrible. There are several places to go where you can easily credit well above 100 hours per month. At Envoy, plan on the 72/(75 reserve) min month guarantee. You can scrap together some overtime to bump it up, but you'll probably end up losing some of it with our poor pay protections.

The bonuses are bigger other places, too.

the only 145 operators with 50/hour are PDT and ENV, who else?
another thing is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to commute.

Fonzo 01-14-2020 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed (Post 2953317)
I do think that you're being a bit harsh as well. As a new hire, you'll probably end up sitting reserve no more than 6 months (again depends what base/what plane). The biggest attraction to Envoy (aside from Flow) is the movement in seniority....well because of the flow. I know guys at Endeavor/Republic who've left for other companies because an upgrade is out of sight due to the stagnation there. At Envoy you'll at least be able to upgrade once you hit your 950 hours.

But to answer to the OP
1) Nothing is tough if you study
2) Plan on the 145
3) Pay could be worse

Ok the only 145 operators with 50/hour are PDT and ENV, who else?
To compare Envoy vs Peidmont is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to CMH to commute.
The reserve in ORD should be around 3 months but don't know Peidmont Philli reserve time to compare.

speedbrakearmed 01-14-2020 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by Fonzo (Post 2956677)
Ok the only 145 operators with 50/hour are PDT and ENV, who else?
To compare Envoy vs Peidmont is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to CMH to commute.
The reserve in ORD should be around 3 months but don't know Peidmont Philli reserve time to compare.

If you're comparing Envoy vs Piedmont, Envoy is just a much bigger company which in turn equates to more resources, generally more growth, more opportunity, more flow, I will say there was a small group of PDT pilots who got in at the right time and spent under 5 years at PDT before they flowed, but as for a NH I think Envoy would make more sense. I know of a handful of CMH commuters and CMH to ORD is done on Envoy metal so you'd have priority on the JS for that.

Fonzo 01-14-2020 01:09 PM

Thank you
 

Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed (Post 2956681)
If you're comparing Envoy vs Piedmont, Envoy is just a much bigger company which in turn equates to more resources, generally more growth, more opportunity, more flow, I will say there was a small group of PDT pilots who got in at the right time and spent under 5 years at PDT before they flowed, but as for a NH I think Envoy would make more sense. I know of a handful of CMH commuters and CMH to ORD is done on Envoy metal so you'd have priority on the JS for that.

so if CMH was home wouldn't ENV be better commuting from ORD vs PDT commuting from PHL as for pay both are the same but reserve time is what differs


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