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speedbrakearmed 01-14-2020 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Fonzo (Post 2956688)
so if CMH was home wouldn't ENV be better commuting from ORD vs PDT commuting from PHL as for pay both are the same but reserve time is what differs

I'm not grasping your question. If you live in CMH go to Envoy. If you live in PHL go to PDT. Reserve will be longer at PDT but driving to work is still driving to work.

Tyrion 01-14-2020 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by Fonzo (Post 2956675)
the only 145 operators with 50/hour are PDT and ENV, who else?
another thing is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to commute.

I'm not sure why you are limiting it to 145s, CRJs are practically the same airplane.

As far as the 50-seater world goes, I'm less concerned about the top line hourly rate, and more concerned about the bottom line. Flying 50 seaters, you can make more money at most other places despite the lower hourly rates. They make up for it with more productive lines, huge sign-on and retention bonuses, better pay protection, more premium pay, etc. An extra 30 hours of soft pay more than makes up the difference in hourly rates.

3400 01-19-2020 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by Fonzo (Post 2956675)
the only 145 operators with 50/hour are PDT and ENV, who else?
another thing is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to commute.

Or, you know, drive to work at CMH with the Republic base and make $50/hr.

Dman2141 01-22-2020 01:55 PM

Coming over from PSA
 
Thinking about coming to envoy from psa for a DFW base. I live in the DFW area and wondering if it’s worth it?

havick206 01-22-2020 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Dman2141 (Post 2962046)
Thinking about coming to envoy from psa for a DFW base. I live in the DFW area and wondering if it’s worth it?

No, because you will be displaced the NY 145 CA and won’t see DFW for quite a while.

How many years have you been at PSA? If basically a new hire then MAYBE it’s worth it.

Dman2141 01-22-2020 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2962048)
No, because you will be displaced the NY 145 CA and won’t see DFW for quite a while.

How many years have you been at PSA? If basically a new hire then MAYBE it’s worth it.

yeah basically a new hire 7 months with PSA, so DFW is not doable?

pitchattitude 01-22-2020 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by Dman2141 (Post 2962054)
yeah basically a new hire 7 months with PSA, so DFW is not doable?

If you play your cards right, you might get to keep your AAG employee number.

Your best shot is having enough 121 time to still get a 175. You’ll probably end up in ORD and can get to DFW in three to six months. Then you stay on reserve avoiding flying so you can upgrade on the 175 and stay in DFW.

But it is all very much a crap shoot.

3400 01-22-2020 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Dman2141 (Post 2962054)
yeah basically a new hire 7 months with PSA, so DFW is not doable?

No matter what airplane you get started on, you probably won’t spend too much time in DFW before you're forced-upgraded to the 145 in LGA, maybe ORD, commuting on reserve. It will be a while before you can get back to DFW.

Keep your seniority at PSA, stay over there. You’ll be commuting at Envoy too.

BigZ 01-22-2020 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2962062)
If you play your cards right, you might get to keep your AAG employee number.

Your best shot is having enough 121 time to still get a 175. You’ll probably end up in ORD and can get to DFW in three to six months. Then you stay on reserve avoiding flying so you can upgrade on the 175 and stay in DFW.

But it is all very much a crap shoot.

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from what I gather, not that many hours in the first 7 months at PSA, so "omg 145 lga" might not apply

highfarfast 01-22-2020 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2962273)
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from what I gather, not that many hours in the first 7 months at PSA, so "omg 145 lga" might not apply

7 months... is that 7 months from hire date? Or 7 months from hitting the line. That's a pretty big difference.

Anyway, if the former, probably really low 121 time. Bid a 145 on your hire date and bid reserve monthly until your hire class peers catch up. Should get DFW pretty quick... not in class but probably on the first bid after. Reserve rules are really bad here but mainly on commuters. If you live in base, with just a little bit of seniority, life isn't all that bad on reserve.


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