Near entry Captain's are a great deal as the program allows you to upgrade as soon as you have the time so you can start collecting CA pay! Yes, you may be on reserve for a little longer than someone who doesn't have the time currently, but with a 5.5 year flow and falling, you will be at AA before you know it. Great decision on your part to get into Envoy if you can.

 

$37000 on day one
$10000 upon completion of ioe
$8000 at the end of probation (1 year) that is if u make probation.

you will be hired as a fo and right away displaced to captain on the 145 (a loop hole to get around the union’s stance against hiring street captains).

don’t spend it all in Vegas (booze, strippers and gambling) but than again you live only once

 

Once again, troll, explain the math of a 5.5 year and falling flow.

You keep touting it, but you can not back it up. Show the math or you get zero credit.

 

I've explained it in previous posts. The fact of the matter remains that AA needs pilots now and will need many, many more in the future. Envoy is well positioned to supply that need. Much more so than at present.

 

No, you have said AA needs pilots. So does everyone else. Just because AA needs pilots does NOT mean the flow from Envoy is increasing. And that is BECAUSE Envoy is NOT in a position to supply them. Training can’t keep up with that quantity.

No math, NO credit.

 

I have stated the the training capacity will have to increase. AA needs the pilots. They will make it happen. Starting with those 20 extra 175s that will begin arriving late this year. I would imagine that there are training managers all over this upcoming capacity increase RIGHT NOW. Might I suggest swinging toward a more positive attitude. It can work wonders. The hard part is over. You have a seat at AA. Why so negative?

 

You have explained exactly zero on how you think the flow will increase. Just saying over and over that something will work doesn't mean it will. Show the MATH behind your assumptions, you may win people over, but until then, you are just cr700 spouting nonsense that is so over the top, people dont believe you.

So this is what you need to do.
1. Explain how you get to a 5.5 year flow with current numbers and flow formulas.
2. Explain, with current numbers, how this flow time will be "falling" as you say.

If you cant do either of those, you are just making assumptions and we can all do that, watch. Hey, we will have a 9 year flow, prove me wrong.

Until then, go back to "AA" forums and stay out of our business, just like you tell Cujo to stay out of here. You are no different than the one you like to mock at this point.

 

Agree with everything here except that a 5.5 year and falling flow is a certainty. For the right people, DEC program is a godsend, for others, it doesn't work out the way they planned. To the OP, just make sure you are confortable with being LGA based, comfortable being in the 145 indefinitely and be comfortable with long stretched of airport standby as that is what you will get. Every FO hired prior to you coming in gets to bump you down the seniority list, which means you will have years of sitting stby. Do with it as you will and best of luck regardless of your decision.

 

Any (educated) guesses where those 20 175s will go? Apparently Skywest is taking over Compass flying starting November.

 

Adding more 175s, whether from Compass (likely) or new purchase (at some point) doesn’t mean that training can just ramp up. The elimination of the CRJ does simplify things and certainly helps, but Envoy had to delay the most recent bid by a month and that bid is smaller than most previous bids the last several years. They are already falling behind last years numbers with a stated plan of more than last year. To decrease flow time, flow numbers have to increase which means MORE that a 1 to 1 of flow to hires. Present numbers are 1 to 2. And every one of those flows have to become captain first. Every flow that is a check airman requires THREE training events to replace them. A new hire, an upgrade and a check airman qualification.

These are facts that support a flow time NOT decreasing. The only thing that supports a decreased flow time is outside attrition or a LOA or contract change to increase the flow.

That doesn’t exist. If it did, YOU wouldn’t be the one to be announcing it.