#HereWeSlow
 

AA is now canceling/suspending classes. If the company follows suit with the rest of the industry, we’ll be lucky to see classes mid-summer. That said, every month classes are postponed adds precious time to your flow date and is actually costing you tremendous amounts of money in the short term (time-value of money invested) and also in the long-term due to earnings potential at the end of your career relative to the age 65 retirement age.

Hiring will resume someday.* AA retirements can offset some of the cuts to the system in the short term.


*AA is in dire financial trouble and lacks the liquidity to financially weather this storm if it lasts more than a handful of months. Bankruptcy is already being floated by financial analysts. United’s net bookings are down 70% for April alone; if this holds true for AA, grab the popcorn and possibly an updated resume.

To all the lazy captains out there (most of you) who don’t have your apps out because “I’m just gonna wait until I flow,” I hope this is a wake up call to apply and update your apps often.

Shhh... you don't want more competition. Let them figure it out on their own.

On the flip side. Anyone who left outside the flow in the previous year is looking at potential furlough. I feel extremely lucky to be senior at PSA and not on the bottom of the list somewhere else. I don’t think having a number is worth being on the street. It’s all about timing.

This times x100.

Why? He'll still be senior to you. Get a job bartending in the meantime.

Dancing pays more as long as you don’t object to being objectified and treated like a piece of meat. Come to think of it, probably still get more respect that way.

give up 125k and 17 days off a month to bar tend? Thanks for the advice Dave Ramsey.

For a year or two of seniority at mainline?

You're not giving up 125k, you're giving up the difference. I see math is not your strong suit.

That's probably true, hence why he/she is at Envoy and dependent on a flow since he/she probably doesn't have a degree. #triggered

I can live just fine on 125k. It’s all about QOL. If somebody told me I could start out at mainline making 300k year one, but I had to sit reserve my entire career.... I’d be perfectly fine sitting right where I’m at. Each person has a different level of tolerance for what they’re willing to put up with.

Your advice sounds better suited for a single guy fresh out of college. I on the other hand am not willing to be miserable for an extra year of a higher salary 30 years from now.

I’m not saying to not jump on the first opportunity to move on. Most of the time that’s the safer play. But in today’s scenario I would say a majority of people who have moved on in the previous year are wishing they would have waited just a little bit longer.

PSA. Read for comprehension

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i would love for you two to tell your friends that moved on recently... “what’s the big deal? You can bar tend in the meantime. How are Susie and your kids doing btw?”

so, you want us CAs to go so you can flow faster? that's hypocritical. lol
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I agree with the dude. Different strokes, different folks. No one is hiring. No one is flowing for the foreseeable future. No one is beating anyone or losing seniority to any OTS hires. The people squawking the loudest have never been thru a recession and the hot air is just a defense mechanism. Btw Jody is taking care of his old lady just fine.

Internet trolls are awesome. Go try and replace 125k during a recession. If you can, you are very lucky. The vast majority of pilots would be doing good to get half of that. A year and a half of that and you have emptied your 401k and are staring at bankruptcy. All that stress for a handful of slots at a legacy that is likely going to be arm wrestling their pilots very soon for concessions? I have no problem with the underlying thesis of "get your app out," but I would MUCH rather be here than sitting nervously at the bottom 15% in seniority at ANY airline right now. Get out early if you can, but feel good if you are sitting here with some seniority right now.

Ok, go ahead and resume the troll...

senior enough at psa to be responsible for the psa shenanigans.....?

besides the lifers, no one at PSA is senior enough for the “shenanigans”. I think the last batch of flows should be around August 2014 hires. The “shenanigans” happened late 2013 I believe.

"HereWeSlow"

You can't steal Skywest's slogan, .69 all day son!

it’s funny because it’s true lmao

In the year 2028....

Envoy pilot selected to flows:
”Excited to flow next month after 11.8 years years on property.”

Company:
”Faster path to American, flow in 5.5 years!”

New Hire:
”I’m gonna be a widebody captain by the time I’m 29! American can’t possibly lose money ever again!”

THkooj:
”I was recalled from furlough 2 years ago but AA is still amazing and non-Envoy regional pilots and LCCs are morons.”

I think you've taken thkoojs spot as most annoying person on this board. Maybe you should try your compass thread again.

I bet a large portion of them are glad they aren’t a junior FO someplace else right now......

I don’t know how many of us will wind up furloughed, and while I’m pretty sure it’s coming, I’m also pretty sure we won’t be first.

TSA would have taken the award for first to furlough if they didn’t just close. Yes, it would appear that it is most certainly coming. Maybe delay the boat purchase (legacy pilot joke), but don’t panic. Prepare yourself

Actually glad I spent some of my bonus on a motorcycle last month, give me something to do if it comes to that. Wife wouldn't approve it now.

You bonused enough to buy a motorcycle and then some?

Envoy is gonna take back what they paid you “in error”

I'm about 99.9% sure s/he doesn't work at Envoy.

He is not a regional pilot.

Yeah, sounds right.

With that attitude, why would you ever leave?

I never said it’s best to stay. I’m just saying it’s luck of the draw. Luckily, this is most likely temporary for just a few months. Take the first opportunity when you can, but be thankful right now if it didn’t work out and you have some seniority in your current position.

In one of my posts I even said it’s usually best to take the first opportunity to move on, but the argument that people who are waiting to flow should have moved on already... isn’t a valid argument in our current environment. You can’t predict the future.

#HereWeFurlough

Voluntary unpaid leave of absence announced. 0 hours, all pay withheld. 30 days at a time. All bennies out of pocket, including employer portion, and they threatened to send it to collections if you don’t pay on time. Non-rev privileges yes. Seniority/longevity yes. sick and vacation no.

Even 10 hours to defray the cost of the insurance would’ve been passable imo, this is an insult and a big FU from the company that felt they had to offer “something” and ultimately did so in bad faith.

this^^^^


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Everything they have been sending out are simply done to help mitigate any potential lawsuits later on. Stupid things like checking for fevers, locking yourself up in your hotel rooms, this leave etc. It is all bull****.

This way they can say they tried something. The sooner you realize this management team hates you as a pilot and that our union is virtually powerless to do anything about it, the less surprised and angry you will get about this stuff.

Furloughs at Envoy? This true?

In due course, mainline will probably go first though honestly.

Just making sure. Thanx

No, not a furlough. This is a wonderful gift from management known as "unpaid voluntary leave". Well, unpaid except that you still owe them all of the out of pocket expenses that normally are pulled from your paycheck. So you will actually owe them money to not work...Think about that.

At least the mainline brethren were given some flight pay to cover all of that nonsense.

Lol getting 3 years of early retirement income at over half of guarantee is more than just "some pay".

That's about half a million dollars before tax for a top year captain. Everyone should think about that before even considering taking this joke offer.