Compass to Envoy ERJ-175 Transfer Countdown
 

The Trans States Holdings holy triumvirate is falling apart:

- TSA is closing shop at the end of this year. They’re already junior manning captains left and and right due to being short staffed; some guys and gal I know over there would be surprised if they don’t implode during the summer. This COVID-19 pandaemonium might be the needed life support to float the company a little longer, but the writing is on the wall.

- GoJet has about approximately 9 years of UAL CRJ-550 flying left, but COVID-19 is doing major damage to UAL’s network and cuts are coming. Word from pilots over there is that they may have to run the April bid with the potential for furlough on the table. GoJet seems to be the most stable of the 3 companies, but as we’ve seen, things can change on a dime - especially with the UAX carriers.

- Alas, Compass. The pilots were strung along with an elusive deal “to be announced Friday” for months on end after the news of Delta flying winding down. With COVID-19, Delta flying has come to a halt and they’re announcing furloughs. Coupled with cuts to AA flying, it stands to reason that the company may fall apart at the seams and be unable to fulfill their contractual obligations. In that case, it stands to reason those planes may be phased in to Envoy’s fleet. Obviously this is a worst case scenario for their pilot group, but the writing is on the wall for TSH. Fortunately, even with the (hopefully) short to mid-term effects of COVID-19, pilot hiring will have to happen at the majors and, therefore, the regionals. Industry consolidation is almost a given with the number of FFD regional carriers and the squeeze on regional pilots for labor.

So, if/when we get the planes, what do you all suspect happens? Do we add planes and pilots? Do we draw down or transfer out 145s and replace them with 175s? Do we increase flying in DFW & ORD or do we add 175s to LGA or MIA? New pilot base altogether?

AA is in survival mode. All bets are off. Let’s just hope we still have jobs.

Why do y’all care so much about the 175? We have bigger concerns than a damn compass 175s.

This board has jumped the damn shark

The running joke is that things were supposed to be announced Friday. Also, we are currently staffed at roughly 14-15 pilots per airplane, and plenty of flight attendants. What makes you think we can't fulfill contractual obligations? This COVID-19 hit us at a time when we were heavily staffed during a wind down period, and lets face it TSH runs cheap. Therefore furloughs will happen. It amazes me how gung-ho you guys have been about YOUR airplanes since 2015.

This ^^^

Half of AA’s widebodies are sitting idle, and most regional routes can barely fill a C-172 these days, let alone a 175. Parker isn’t worried about 20 76-seat airplanes. He’s sitting in his office praying Trump doesn’t ban air travel altogether.

AGREED! It really ****es me off how some regional pilots care so much about the airframe. At envoy if you are not pay band C, you are getting 145 pay-race to the bottom

Who cares? I certainly don’t, there are way better careers and business opportunities out there like starting a Marijuana dispensary. It won’t be the end of the world not wearing polyester and working in sweat shop conditions. Always have a Plan B and good luck to all.

Boo this guy!

what the heck are you doing here? Go back to your previous job

AA is in massive debt.. If Republic/Mesa/SkyWest offer to take the Compass aircraft leases, risk, payments, loan, and can shed debt, They will.....

These are dire times. Let’s just get through this.


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******* of the day.

Quit being vultures, it’s distasteful.

agreed

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filler.

Yeah. At the end of the day we could all be circling the drain.

But depending on the contract wording, it might still be cheaper for Envoy to not be flying them than anyone else.

Do we even still have a President/CEO?

The rest of us Compass pilots, who don't don't get furloughed in the next week, will be out of a job as well. It's been said many times before, but I've never seen a group of pilots, you Envoy folks, so happy to see another pilot group lose their jobs. Stay classy.

It's one person who made this thread that no one has backed that's also always talking about how much he hates it here. He's very much the minority, so chill.

whoever started this thread obviously has very poor judgement and hope I don't get to share a cockpit with that person.
One of my best friends said he’s likely getting a furlough notice this week at Compass, he got wife and kids. Please don't mind the OP, nobody as far as I can tell is backing him up on this post.

please don't judge us all by this probably Dallas-based 175 FO pond scum.

There's been lots of these threads and posts over the past couple years, not just one poster. The majority I'm certain don't share their views, but it does happen often enough for a lot of people to notice. Sorry it reflects on the rest of you, when it isn't deserved.

To the majority of you, I apologize. To the few who keep doing this, GFY.

yeah I can guarantee you the last thing anyone is talking about here is the compass planes. We’re all mostly concerned with what the coronavirus is doing to the industry. He’s the extreme minority here.

Yeah and it's always the same 2 or 3 making the posts.

Don’t let the minority speak for the whole. Most of us are acutely aware of how crappy it will be for you all and wish it wasn’t happening.

It’s all fun and games until Dougie P needs to start trimming costs and decides to start sending the MQ 175s to Compass since they are cheaper and not part of AA’s operating expenses. Be careful what you wish for.


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We’ll be lucky if everyone on property still has a job in the weeks and months to come. It’s definitely survival mode right now.

how you gonna lump everyone in that group? I think this thread is BS and said so myself.

in before the ****storm

What does this mean for new hires?

No more new hires at Envoy. Everyone not yet on property has had their classes cancelled. Only those already in training are continuing.

They may displace some people to 175 to cover this. Get your displacement preferences sorted out.

just got an email that hiring has stopped. Classes that have started will continue as planned.

Guess I was right in predicting this and all you snowflakes were wrong. Some of your replies didn’t age very well in the last week.

What's your problem man? A bunch of people just lost their jobs.

was it worth it to be right during these hard times though? Yeahh you’re the man. Pat on the back bud

What was your prediction? Pretty much all of us knew that we would be stopping hiring at some point and the compass planes have been talked about for over a year.

Do derive some personal satisfaction at others suffering?

I hope I never have the displeasure of flying with you and I am ashamed that we work for the same company.

450 pilots just lost their jobs when no-one is hiring, and you brag about being right.
There are words to describe what kind of a person you are, but they all earn infraction points from the mods.

This guy’s post history speaks for itself. Wow. Stay classy, I guess. I bet your coworkers are real proud to call you one of their own.