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highfarfast 05-23-2020 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 3062621)
I would not recommend putting your actual name on the petition.

Management at this place is well known to retaliate people.

I'm not sure what reason they would retaliate unless you added a particularly derogatory comment to your signature. It's just a petition which carries no weight.

pitchattitude 05-23-2020 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3062627)
I'm not sure what reason they would retaliate unless you added a particularly derogatory comment to your signature. It's just a petition which carries no weight.

Yeah. Honestly IDK, but as much as I want QT back, I’m not inclined to sign the petition.

I realize there is no contractual basis for it, but I think the union should be at least REGULARLY bugging the company about it. IDK that there is anything else they are doing that they couldn’t at least put a bug in their ear.

Again, I realize this isn’t contractual, but I honestly think that there could be a very good argument that the company violated the status quo and that taking this away was retaliatory in nature and a work action. I think there is a pretty direct correlation between when the company has taken away QT when they didn’t get something or other from the pilots/union. You know if things were the other way, the company would jump all over the union and pilots and get a court injunction.

highfarfast 05-23-2020 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3062635)
Yeah. Honestly IDK, but as much as I want QT back, I’m not inclined to sign the petition.

I realize there is no contractual basis for it, but I think the union should be at least REGULARLY bugging the company about it. IDK that there is anything else they are doing that they couldn’t at least put a bug in their ear.

Again, I realize this isn’t contractual, but I honestly think that there could be a very good argument that the company violated the status quo and that taking this away was retaliatory in nature and a work action. I think there is a pretty direct correlation between when the company has taken away QT when they didn’t get something or other from the pilots/union. You know if things were the other way, the company would jump all over the union and pilots and get a court injunction.

I agree with every single word of your last paragraph.

And yeah, I didn't sign the petition either. I don't think there'd be harm, but I'm not willing to bet on it.

Cyio 05-23-2020 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3062635)
Yeah. Honestly IDK, but as much as I want QT back, I’m not inclined to sign the petition.

I realize there is no contractual basis for it, but I think the union should be at least REGULARLY bugging the company about it. IDK that there is anything else they are doing that they couldn’t at least put a bug in their ear.

Again, I realize this isn’t contractual, but I honestly think that there could be a very good argument that the company violated the status quo and that taking this away was retaliatory in nature and a work action. I think there is a pretty direct correlation between when the company has taken away QT when they didn’t get something or other from the pilots/union. You know if things were the other way, the company would jump all over the union and pilots and get a court injunction.

I also agree with the last paragraph and I did sign it. Let them fire me over it lol. We will get it back once they decide they need OT picked up.

MqWhistleblower 05-23-2020 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3062635)
Yeah. Honestly IDK, but as much as I want QT back, I’m not inclined to sign the petition.

I realize there is no contractual basis for it, but I think the union should be at least REGULARLY bugging the company about it. IDK that there is anything else they are doing that they couldn’t at least put a bug in their ear.

Again, I realize this isn’t contractual, but I honestly think that there could be a very good argument that the company violated the status quo and that taking this away was retaliatory in nature and a work action. I think there is a pretty direct correlation between when the company has taken away QT when they didn’t get something or other from the pilots/union. You know if things were the other way, the company would jump all over the union and pilots and get a court injunction.

I agree 100% with ya! I don’t trust management at Envoy.

Propeller 05-23-2020 11:13 PM

Times like these show that every little thing needs to be in the contract or it's going away the moment it doesn't benefit the company.

I'm surprised there's no alternative that at least makes typing in all those codes easier. Maybe a menu of some sort that resembles CCI but with more options to support all the saber codes and RF messages and lets you copy-paste the text into FOS. They cant take an app away that doesn't require or need access to function anyway. I think the hardest part of all this is simply remembering what code is for what and what silly format it's required to be in.

MEGAFUPM 05-24-2020 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Propeller (Post 3062826)
Times like these show that every little thing needs to be in the contract or it's going away the moment it doesn't benefit the company.

I'm surprised there's no alternative that at least makes typing in all those codes easier. Maybe a menu of some sort that resembles CCI but with more options to support all the saber codes and RF messages and lets you copy-paste the text into FOS. They cant take an app away that doesn't require or need access to function anyway. I think the hardest part of all this is simply remembering what code is for what and what silly format it's required to be in.

there are guides with the majority of the codes you’ll ever need on both the envoy and alpa websites. Save them in PF keys on mobileFOS

Propeller 05-24-2020 09:02 AM

Yeah that works but lots of the pfkeys would need to be deleted again to put in the day/month ranges or sequence numbers, etc. I guess i could use some shorthand to make it quicker but it still sucks.

I miss quicktrade


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