They'll deny reimbursement, and ruin it for legitimate van no shows for everyone else. Learn how to use decs and save $5 a month. its not hard.

I’ve been picking up OT like a *****. Nothing like proving to those bastards that we can still pick up OT

absolutely, here’s piedmont’s secret:

there’s this little thing called Twitter, all ya gotta have to sign up is an email address and then tell the pilots to follow it, then scheduling will post open time with pictures of money raining down from the skies saying ‘PHL ca needed 4 turn @ 16:00 PRM AVAIL CALL SCHED’.

its cutting edge, I know.

the rest of the open time? gets posted on a webpage at a random time, after 3:00PM. to pick your trip, send an email in (BEFORE 3:00) to sched, then call them at some point after 3:00 and hope they have sorted through all the ‘GCOM’ requests to see if it’s been approved. they’ll deny it or approve it for whatever reason they feel that day (no known guidelines for approval or deny). oh and if you aren’t on good terms with sched, they’ll just deny everything you send in.

trading? must have both pilots email a ‘GCOM’ request to sched to swap, may, or may not be approved.

we’ve been perfecting these scheduling practice for years....if you need help, let piedmont know, they are fantastic with this stuff.

Envoy has likely the best OT rules of any regional.
Every single uncrewed trip has to be in open time apart from a 9 hour period the day before the trip. And trips assigned to reserves can be taken by guys on days off (unless the reserve puts himself on a list preventing this).

It's one of the few things that are industry leading at Envoy.

I know someone with 160 hours (if you include OT premium) credit this month.
Just out of spite.
(before you start questioning, it includes VC, DTS, sick time, and a ton of cancelled OT.)

this is exactly what the company has been trying to take away from us. every single chance they get. NOT happening, sorry.

Can you give us a little compare and contrast to the OT rules at other regionals? What are the OT rules at Skywest? Republic? Endeavor? Mesa? Expressjet? GoJet? etc.

Before you spout off something like "industry leading" and "Envoy has likely the best OT rules of any regional," do you actually know how those other carriers handle OT? Otherwise, you are just sounding like THK.

You're boring.
Yes, I know how others handle OT.

OT at PSA was 125% pay and 150% pay during critical, I imagine the same is true for most regionals. There was no appropriating at premium either. At Messa if you picked up OT, it was only 100% and it wasn’t paid on top of your guarantee. There was really no point picking up OT if you’re on reserve unless you wanted extra flight time or perdiem.

Envoy is the only regional (I don't have Silvers contract so if they have it, so be it) with unlimited OT, with appropriation, and everything paying premium, and where CS can not withhold any unassigned sequences or assign them in advance outside the proffering window to reserves.

Like I said. Industry leading. One of the few things in our contract that are that.

It'll probably go away in the upcoming AAG Ch. 11 bankruptcy.

So, the union turns down the OT LOA. Now, they send an email, talking about how pilots can put themselves back in the return list. Therefore pilots aren’t going to be allowed to appropriate flights. Keep in mind, if an overnight is taken away from your schedule you are still eligible for a hotel in base.

The important part of that email is the OT volunteer list. Everyone should get on that list.

Hopefully others will have better luck than I did with the volunteer list. Whenever I put myself on that list in the past, CS would never call. I am not sure they even look at it, plus there’s never more than 5 pilots on it anyway.

That's the best deal if they don't call you.
Get paid to sit at home. Win.

That's when you watch trips drop into open time, get assigned to a reserve, and then you file a dispute.

I put myself on the volunteer list all the time and CS never calls me. Now with QT being gone is really hard to keep track when a trip opened up.

Once again, we got played by the company- in a bunch of aspects, and now the union is supporting people to put themselves on the return list, therefore people won’t be able to appropriate flying.

With all due respect, whoever wrote that email didn’t think very well.

I still stand in unity!

Are you referring to the OT volunteer list? I thought you only get paid if they call you and you accept flying?

for what? You don't get paid to fly on reserve so you don't have any damages to be made whole. Not to mention I don't think they are even obligated to assign to the turn back list first

Yeah, they really shouldn’t be saying or doing anything that might inadvertently help the company. It’s enough to fly the book right now and focus on safety, considering the maximum sleaze QuickTrade kill, and the bait and switch CSLOA. Ideally, they’d be publishing PF keys or something that the less savvy or motivated among us can copy-paste to search for and pick up big $$$ OT.

If this management had a button to kill us all and replace us with similar pilots, they’d press it just for laughs. I’m sure they’ll furlough the maximum number of crew members they can without destroying the operation completely in October.

All of this is completely wrong.

Because crew scheduling has never called a reserve out before an OT volunteer.

/s

Make sure to watch open time awards if you do put yourself on the list and file your grievance when they inevitably skip over you.

These disputes have a very high success rate.

If they don't offer it to you, you have a dispute because of inappropriate order of assignments.

If CS doesn't call you, file a dispute. Easy money. It is a contractual requirement to offer the trip for you. If they don't, it's a violation and you have been harmed.

CCI / Pre-flight documents / Input Required / Open Time - Award Info. Shows the notification time. If 3+ hours, it should have been offered to OT volunteers first.

It’s very time consuming, plus if you are not the most senior guy on the list, you are not getting compensated anyway even if there is a dispute. Also, while you are keeping an eye on open time, somebody else might just pick it up via ATTOT. Unless CS make sure they call volunteers the moment OT becomes available, the list is completely useless otherwise.

No.
First of all, you can't ATTOT same day assignments. OT volunteer list only applies for daily OT bidding.
The trips have to be offered for OT volunteers, each and every one of them, before assigning it to a reserve. One of them will get paid unless this process is followed.
And how the heck is it time consuming to check one list once a day? If you didn't get a phone call, check the open time assignments, if something was assigned over 3 hours in advance, someone has a dispute. Might as well be you.

All of this is false.

What happens if somebody calls CS on the day off to pick up flying? Are they supposed to decline it, until they have called people on the volunteer list first?

What are we talking here, the equivalent of taking a random drug test or is there an actual incentive when you win a dispute?

Disputes pay whatever your harm was.
The usual remedy on these is that you get paid for the trip they did not offer to you.
4 hour trip opens and they don't offer it to you, you get paid 4 hours.

^^^^ This I made lots of credit hours filing disputes that were black and white.

This is the type of information that should be on an email from the union. The amount of additional work the company is creating for themselves by taking away quicktrade and the pilot force knowing this would make a huge difference towards bringing back that app.

Ballpark 70% of pilots have been on property less than 3-4 years and do not know this.

Agreed! Pilots are not well informed, either by complacency, care less or lack of understanding- contract wise. You can clearly see that with posts on Facebook, apc, whatsapp groups. The union should do a better job at this, rather than trying to help the company out teaching guys how to put themselves back on the return list.

I’m strongly disappointed with this email, and I still want to see a strongly worded email against the company. Wondering if someone in the union has the balls to send one.

It's not the unions job to teach you how to read. It's clearly spelled out in the contract, and isn't ambiguous or up for interpretation like many parts. There's also plenty of guides on the union and company website for how to use DECS. Maybe you should take some responsibility for yourself and not expect to be spoon fed everything.

See post above.

Ask Atlas how ballsy emails and strong words have worked for them. Especially when company starts suing the union for illegal work actions.
Some things are better handled by pilots and their own initiative.

I can see their point though, that email clearly states “help the company” or something along those lines. I mean with everything this managment team has done to us I don’t think we need to be told to go the extra mile for the company.

I agree about people needing to educate themselves but I also think we can do more to educate. I love the new ORD newsletter, always find something I can use. I distinctly remember about 1.5-2 years ago the Union was starting to send out informational and tips and tricks letters.

Anyway.

There’s nothing illegal with a strongly worded email. Our emails are pretty damn chill/borderline scared of management.

I would love to be wrong but I guess a vast majority of our pilots agree with me.

Excuse me? I know our contract pretty well. I’m speaking to the new hires and pilots who have some pretty basic questions. One thing I can assure you is that I know our contract pretty well. I just feel sorry for guys who don’t, and get played.