CRJ reserve FOs had a GroupMe thing set up for reserve day swaps, trades and such. The etiquette called for contacting the FO whose flying you are interested in appropriating, and then proceed with the other party's blessing. Or not. Guys would also advise of the assigned trips they were willing to part with in the same group. Worked pretty well, but the overall pilot group was small enough to where it was fairly personal, and constant over the months due to the lack of movement.

 

Flying is tight all around. Why hose a commuter on reserve just because “the contract says it’s ok”. When I hired on in 2016 I was flying with the 9-12 yr group of pre flow pilots. Honestly it was considered a douche move unless absolutely having to appropriate because you couldn’t drop, P2P, or trade a trip. And it was explained usually try to contact the other pilot first. Never saw it in ORD. Seen it way too much in dfw, especially by LCA’s living in base hosing reserve commuters just because they could. With so little flying now, why be the blue falcon? Smh To each their own.

 

pffft the 9-12 year flows in 2016 were the guys mostly appropriating trips.

 

Honestly, if you see appropriation as 'hosing' anyone, you fall under the 'I don't understand LOA 13-13' crowd. No offense.

 

Exactly... thanks for sharing that... That's the kind of thinking we need around here.

We are heading for some dark times. We need things like that to pull together and help each other out. If we all just act like starving dogs and do douchebag things screwing each other over because it says we can in the contract and I have a PhD in DECS programming, this place is going to be absolutely miserable for most of us. Nobody knows how high up the furloughs will go and who will end up on perpetual airport standby when September ends.

Hopefully the douchebag with the all the extra OT and 25 days of reservecation will chip in a few bucks to our furlough GoFundMe page... probably not.

 

PSA and PDT do not use DECS. Those guys are just as wide eyed as the street hires at AA when trying to learn the antiquated system. DECS is a Legacy AA/Legacy Eagle deal.

 

What the heck are you talking about?
The extension was known and was mentioned in the union call, no squeeze tactics. A majority of pilots wanted it, we gave away nothing for it (FYI: This QT issue is separate), so the fact that you do not like it does not change the outcome.
There are no handshake deals with this management. The pilot group wanted the LOA (by a pretty considerable margin), so they got it.

 

Really, the pilot group wanted it??

How was this determined? ​​​​​​​What were the numbers?

NO one I have talked to thought the hours were reasonable. Sure, “if it works for you take it, other wise don’t”. They would get a lot more takers if the hours were more realistic. Everyone I have discussed this with said, not for that when I can get paid 75 to sit reserve and not fly.

 

I heard a handful of people that wanted it on the call. Can you provide some sort of voting number to prove most wanted it? Did you get 2500 emails with the majority wanting this? The answer is no, the MEC heard what they wanted to hear and once again the company played us.

It is not a coincidence that they closed qt after you all signed it. They know if they closed it first you never would have agreed to the loa.

Stop thinking they have any of our best interest in mind. I know you have a lot of pressure right now but we can’t be short sighted on these deals. Every deal offered by managment had a motive and I haven’t found one that is in our favor. You can say this didn’t have any concessions but it did in that if enough take it we won’t be able to get a deal for the majority of the pilot group. The company hopes to have enough sign up for this crappy 19 hour deal they don’t have to come back to the table.

Whatever though, it’s too late now and we will just have to wait and see. Hopefully enough realize this deal was stupid and they have to come back.

 

I think there is a big disconnect in communication and understanding here. It is a huge overstatement to say that the pilot group "wanted" the LOA. I haven't talked with anyone who "wanted" this LOA. They just don't oppose it. It is an overwhelming "meh".

The generally feeling is that there is no reason to object to it. There is no reason to block it if a few guys desperately need to take an LOA. However, most people generally seem to agree that it is not something worth accepting. It is better just to bid reserve and get paid 75 hours to also not fly. Maybe pick up a couple hours of overtime, if you can figure out how on DECS.