A virile individual indeed.

Has he turned in his AA ID and retired?

my response was to give a reason for staying on - no idea if they kept him post BK

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4349678-american-airlines-first-to-go-under

Of course. Some of us have been saying this for awhile now but then we get the AA diehards come in and say debt is cheap.

I can’t see a way out of chapter 11 for AA.

Well I don't know if its a die heart thing. Everyone has an idea which company is better. I been at this for a very long time, i can tell you, it's all luck. I remember when Delta was months away from shutting down in the early 90s. And they are not safe yet.. all i can tell you guys, and i have been saying it for sometime and some of you think I'm joking, get other skills, protect yourself, because this is going to take years to clear up.

Thank God you are here to provide this career saving information! NOT. What a short sighted, no, let's make that NO sighted attempt to "clear things up for us," You couldn't be more wrong. I've been saying that this stuff was going to burn out with the warmer weather and the statistics have proved me 100% right. The road back isn't short but it isn't long either. We are already well into recovering. Look at the TSA statistics. And yes, debt is cheap. AA used that smartly and there won't be any Chapter 11. Take it to the bank.

Did you also say that AA wouldn't stop hiring and flow wouldn't stop?

Definitely not a ray a hope for most. But even blithering idiots should have hope.

"Steep drop off"?. Texas is seeing well over 1000 new cases a day which will only continue to increase, especially in Dallas and Harris Counties as "things are opening up even faster now".

IOW, you are a bigger clown now than ever. 🤡

It's my opinion that you post stupid crap just so people will "go after you". You're getting exactly what you want. Attention and reaction. Just like every other internet troll.

You have every right to disagree with the Kooj but I cannot see the justification for the vitriol than many have chosen to pour out. Why make it personal??

It's quite apparent that you have no idea of the life cycle of a pandemic. The large majority of those that succumbed to the virus had comorbidities and were also north of 70 years old. Go take a look for yourself on the CDC and other sites. A little research can go a long way to make one seem not as much of a blathering idiot. Also, take a look at the new cases being reported. Not only has the curve flattened but it's trending down. Instead of just saying that you are an idiot and way wrong, I thought I would offer some advice and schooling to try and bring you up to speed.

Didn’t you also say that AA wouldn't stop hiring and flow wouldn't stop?

This guy disagrees


https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed...y-is-nonsense/

Yes, please. Leave the insults and attacks out of it. If you really don't like what someone has to say, but them on your ignore list.

There are different expert opinions and analyses as to AA's prospects. The one that really got my attention was WB voting with his feet.

WB is certainly an expert on finances. His vote with $ is telling. But he got out of ALL airline stock. BH still owns NetJets though.

But THKoolAids posts go way beyond ANYTHING anyone else has in this thread. Not just opinion on AA viability. He is a fake news troll and will continue to be called out.

Call him out all you want if you don't agree, just keep it civil. Or put him on ignore if he triggers you that much.

Rick, I don’t think there’s a single person on this forum that values his input. And given potential recruits browse the forums for info, his ridiculously positive posts about anything Envoy has a chance to do harm to our negotiation position for us already here and could steer new pilots the wrong direction as well. So we can’t really put him on ignore, he has to be called out... but having to continuously do that devalues the forum.

I never bought that argument about having recruits come here hurts current pilots, but even if that was true in the past, it is certainly dead now. Those days are over. Even if, by some miracle, all the majors avoid furloughs, the hiring environment is going to be very slow for a few years at least.

You’re right that it’s dead FOR now. Hiring will come back again at some point, we just don’t know when yet. And he was spewing his BS before china flu.

That said, the ability or non-ability for Envoy to hire is the only thing management cares about when it comes to negotiating improvements in our pay and and our work conditions. It absolutely does matter. If his BS goes unchecked, potential hires will read it and think it’s true. And what he types today, can be read a year from now, two years from now...

And before you say what’s on APC shouldn’t carry that kind of weight, we have guys ON PROPERTY that bid 175 CA because Envoy’s APC profile says they’ll get paid more money as a 175 CA than a 145 CA.

Does that really surprise you, though? Judging by the large number of easily answered questions here or in the various FB groups, we've got a rack of people who can't be bothered to do their own research.

Paybanding and rates are all outlined on my.envoyair and in the contract, yet some folks can't be bothered to look. Or worse, high speed failed reading comprehension. Either way, nothing like flying 76 seats for 50 seat pay for awhile...

There’s no reason for the pay to be different other than the whole more seats, more pay thing. And at Envoy, there isn’t a difference. Just a different form of longevity pay.

It’s not about whether it surprises me or not, I was merely giving an example that the content on APC matters because it effects people’s behavior.

Yes. And unfortunately even “official” information on the profiles page isn’t correct.

It's definitely misleading for someone who has never been at an airline before and doesn't know what to look for when understanding pay. All they see is the higher pay rates and look no further

I was doing some research about 9/11 and I stumbled into something interesting unintentionally. I noticed that the flight loads for all four hijacked airplanes were less than 100 pax. The loads ranged from 30-100 and some of these aircraft were wide body flying trans con flights. I guess my question here is how did the airlines stay in business back then (Pre-9/11) flying loads so light and now that they’re back to flying similar loads they’re in a bankruptcy panic? Any ideas or insight?

The short version is that those loads, and that business model, pre-9/11 were not sustainable. If you consider how many more players existed then, the industry was ripe for consolidation. 9/11 simply accelerated something that was inevitable. Fast forward 20 years, and that consolidation has occurred. Now you have amusing loads at carriers that have largely gone through an optimization process geared around relatively high load factors. That is also not sustainable.

”Hard Landing” ends in the mid-90’s, I think, but it does hit on some similar issues that the industry ran into post-deregulation. It’s an essential read for those who haven’t read it yet.

Also, if you look more at the 9/11 attacks, the terrorists specifically chose those flight because they were known to be sparsely filled, trans-con flights that would be full of fuel. The biggest reason the were normally sparsely filled was they were early morning and the route required the range of a 75/76 instead of a smaller plane.

Also, I can’t say for sure, but those flights were on higher $ yield markets that would sell more first and business class that would cover the cost of otherwise empty coach class.

don’t forget, those wide bodies were 767-200’s. AA only had 167 seats in those, so even at 100 pax, that’s still roughly 60% load factor. AA replaced those 767’s with their 100 seat A321’s. Also remember, back then the 737-800 and A320 (A321 still had a long ways to go) were not really considered transcontinental aircraft. So you flew either the 757 or 767.

Oh, it's true. Just look at everything you've gotten until now. It was always - always - when hiring and retention weren't enough. If there are a steady stream of enough coming in the door, they negotiate on nothing. Didn't one of the recent emails from the union pre pandemic actually state the company has no interest in talking.... that happens EVERY time they have what they need, regardless of what you need.

This is true and something we have been trumpeting for years now. Once the company has staffing, it’s pretty much game over for any meaningful negotiations.

I seriously fail to understand why you guys are constantly on here blathering about the union this, union that, if they company does this and that. It's such a fruitless argument and waste of time. Envoy has and will have more than enough recruits coming in the door.......always. Why? Because they want to work for American Airlines. Yep, just like you even if you won't admit it. To add icing on the cake, the pipeline program has opened the door to THE most qualified recruits Envoy has EVER seen. And yes, that includes the "old" days of American Eagle. No longer are they hiring Virgil who spent the last 6 years flying packages around Texas in some Baron. Today's recruits are the most ready for the 121 cockpit from the first day they set foot on property. Envoy is far superior in many ways to the "old" American Eagle but IMO only, the pipeline program truly sets them apart.

Sorry Kooj, but Eagle/Envoy flow peaked years ago at almost 60% of all AA new hires, and then it was 50% of all AA new hire slots right up until the L10-11's and the 2014 TA.

Now, all three WO's combined send a whopping 35% of all AA new hires at the last tabulation pre-pandemic.

The flow is nothing compared to what it used to be.... it's more of a trickle than a flow now. That's why they have guys like you on social media trying to sell the idea of what used to be, instead of what actually is.

Why do you feel the need to come on here and blather on about how great things are? I dont know, maybe because this is a forum and open for discussion, regardless if we all agree or not. The pilots coming today are not that experienced, they are nothing more than glorified flight instructors with a bachelors degree. How does that make them more competent than someone that has been flying in an operational setting, dealing with weather, maintenance, schedules, deadlines and all the other things hauling packages around Texas entails? I am not knocking the pipeline pilots, just not giving them a free pass to excellence like you are.

It has become a trope around here, you post some complete over the top nonsense and myself, Cujo and some others discredit it. If you dont like it, stop posting your nonsense. I will admit that when I started I wanted to work for AA, but that has long since changed. I am now waiting for training centers to reopen and other airlines to start hiring again, that or my non-aviation opportunity to come up.

He's proof of what was posted above, as long as they are staffed, you get nothing in your contract. Hence why he's here, making sure you're staffed with young suckers.

I come on here to post more of a real picture of what's happening out there. If we left it up to yourself and a handful of others on this forum for information, we would be sorely lacking in true statements. I think that you are aware of Cujo's history and that he doesn't even work here. Honestly, IMO, it's just bitterness that keeps him coming back around to take any swipe he can against Envoy/AA as there's nothing more than he wanted than to be an AA pilot. Why is it that you don't want to work for American Airlines anymore? It seems that there are a few of you who let the negative Nancy's here poison your mind and way of thinking. I'm genuinely curious.

Sorry, Jack. YOU don’t work here. Unless you still are on stoolie retainer.

Those of us who DO work at the ‘Voy and continue to get “Envoyed” on a regular basis will continue to debunk you myths.

You regularly ignore pointed questions and just change threads to spew your falsehoods.

Tell us about that “military experience”. It will lend credence to all your other falsehoods.

Call of Duty - Campaign Mode on Xbox One X

Fixed it for you.