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Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 3047415)

There have been plenty of opportunities to make a single carrier petition, either by Envoy to AA or all 3 WOs to AA. My best guess as to why it hasn't happened is because ALPA would lose 5,000 members to APA. It would be the best thing to happen to the industry in forever, but ALPA doesn't seem to be going for it.

ALPA does care whether AA dumps its commuters. They did that in the past with Eagle just like Delta did wit Comair and ASA. You are at the mercy of the Majors. They make all the decisions.

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3046890)

Wrong. You are AAG and therefore....American. You have no interview and no medical to get to AA. When the time comes, you have a simple departmental transfer and that's it. No other major carrier in the world offers this. You. Are. American.

Is that what you tell your Gf or spouse and family too? They must be so confused. They see all the American logos on you but don’t see the big house and the Porsche yet. gonna be a long 10 years.

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Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 3049462)

Is that what you tell your Gf or spouse and family too? They must be so confused. They see all the American logos on you but don’t see the big house and the Porsche yet. gonna be a long 10 years.

Thekhooj is at AA now, but most likely soon to get a dose of reality come Oct.

I have no idea why it’s relevant to this discussion but the WO operations are not AA pilots. Anyone at either company that thinks otherwise is wrong. American Holdings put in place a preferential hiring program to staff the WO. The program has nothing to do with staffing AA and everything to do with keeping the trenches full of C scale pilots.

This reality does have a place in the flow back discussion however...

It would also be beneficial for the young blood hired during the post 2010 boom to look at how well WO operations faired during previous downturns. I see lots of posts about how WO pilots expect there to be deep cuts at non WO carriers and hope it will work out that WO cuts will be less drastic. I think they have that 180 out. I see the opposite. In fact I’ll be very surprised if there are still four carriers at American holdings by the end of next summer.

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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3050021)

Well, when PSA gets stapled to the bottom of Piedmont, there will only be three carriers.

AAL
PSA
PDT
ENV
that's 4 - is that what you meant?

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Originally Posted by Spoiler (Post 3050032)

AAL
PSA
PDT
ENV
that's 4 - is that what you meant?

Envoy is the 4th one. ENY. Or even EGF. But not ENV.

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Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3050030)

Well, when PSA gets stapled to the bottom of Piedmont, there will only be three carriers.

My gut feeling is there will be only one AA WO when the dust settles. I don’t think it will be Piedmont. Leaning towards PSA and Piedmont both going away and there will not be any merger. Just shut downs and asset sales.

Just how I feel about it looking around now and thinking back to past slow downs. It will sure be an interesting time ahead of us all. Hopefully I’m very wrong.

Thread creep was real here. Thanks for the ride.

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