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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3050442)

how does that happen? If AA doesn’t hire for a year how does that not add, at the minimum, at least one year to a projected flow time?

Leprechauns and Unicorns.

Lets throw in a fold in the space time continuum and a flux capacitor charged to 1.21 jiggawatts.

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Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3050506)

Leprechauns and Unicorns.

Lets throw in a fold in the space time continuum and a flux capacitor charged to 1.21 jiggawatts.

I’m in, can we just skip ahead to like 2023?

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Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 3049462)

Is that what you tell your Gf or spouse and family too? They must be so confused. They see all the American logos on you but don’t see the big house and the Porsche yet. gonna be a long 10 years.

I’m sure THKoolAid’s GF is just as imaginary as all his flow facts. And IF he did have a GF, he would try real hard to get her to believe the distance he measures between his thumb and index finger is a foot.

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Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3049799)

Thekhooj is at AA now, but most likely soon to get a dose of reality come Oct.

Nah, he’s American, remember? Lol

Back to the subject - did any envoy employee receive this memo?

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Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3050754)

Back to the subject - did any envoy employee receive this memo?

There was an email that said something close to this. The language was a little less definitive, but generally it said the same as the title of this thread.

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Originally Posted by pangolin (Post 3050754)

Back to the subject - did any envoy employee receive this memo?

Yes I have seen it. Believe the statement was that they are suspending operations until at least June 7th or some date near there. It was also discussed on a recent P2P call.

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3050369)

Correct. It's a temporary pause and it is NOT 10 years. I've said before that this could slow the flow by a few months beyond what you were originally planned for but most likely, very, very little change.

Where are you buying your Kool Aid mix from?? That stuff seems top shelf for what you are coming up with right now... not an envoy guy but you're just saying things without even backing it up... Let me guess you think and say you fly for American when people ask?

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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot (Post 3050021)

I have no idea why it’s relevant to this discussion but the WO operations are not AA pilots. Anyone at either company that thinks otherwise is wrong. American Holdings put in place a preferential hiring program to staff the WO. The program has nothing to do with staffing AA and everything to do with keeping the trenches full of C scale pilots.

This reality does have a place in the flow back discussion however...

It would also be beneficial for the young blood hired during the post 2010 boom to look at how well WO operations faired during previous downturns. I see lots of posts about how WO pilots expect there to be deep cuts at non WO carriers and hope it will work out that WO cuts will be less drastic. I think they have that 180 out. I see the opposite. In fact I’ll be very surprised if there are still four carriers at American holdings by the end of next summer.

The major problem with your theory is that it is not a preferential hiring program. Delta and United have preferential hiring programs. AA has a direct seniority based system that is - for convenience - called "flow." Now, the ENY/PDT/PSA interview is itself the AA interview. Every pilot hired in seniority order can transfer to AA when their seniority will hold a slot at AA. This is very much like you would bid a new base, or new equipment by seniority. Same thing. I know for a fact that the AAG legal department was very concerned about the newer "flow" program creating an extremely valid argument supporting single carrier. They still are, which is why they have slowly throttled the flow/transfer from it's original 60% of all new AA new hires down to about 35% of all AA new hires.

While they are definitely not being paid as AA pilots, or under the work rules of AA pilots.... there is a legal argument to be made that they should be as a single carrier. However, I would advise the PSA/ENY/PDT guys not to pursue that at this time. While it would be good for the industry to take the regional flying back to mainline; it would guarantee that almost every PSA/PDT/ENY pilot gets furloughed in October as the APA guys would love to have 5,000 pilots junior to them right now.