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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
(Post 3054670)
Serious question, why didn't Eagle try to force PSA and PDT, and themselves as a single carrier when you worked there.
I doubt the USAPA had a say that the APA was taking their members and money. |
Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 3054691)
single carrier representation is one union representing the 3 w/o, which we have.
By your logic we are “single carrier” with DAL and FedEx too. |
Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 3054691)
single carrier representation is one union representing the 3 w/o, which we have.
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Originally Posted by buddies8
(Post 3054691)
single carrier representation is one union representing the 3 w/o, which we have.
Single Transportation System The Board determines the existence of a single transportation system based upon Section 19 of the Board’s Representation Manual. Section 19.4 provides that “[a]ny organization or individual may file an application, supported by evidence of representation or a showing of interest seeking a determination whether a single system of transportation exists.” Section 19.501 states that actions by the Carriers constitutes the existence of a single transportation system, such as published combined schedules or combined routes; standardized uniforms; common marketing, markings, or insignia; integrated essential operations such as scheduling or dispatching; centralized labor and personnel operations; combined or common management, corporate officers, and board of directors; combined workforce; and common or overlapping ownership. -Flight Schedules are combined and published as transparent to the customer -Standardized Uniforms even incuding the forced wearing of AA lanyards. Very minor differences, invisible to the average cutormer -Aircraft are all owned by AA now instead of by each individual airline -Shared Training Facilities -AAG HR is the repository of all records. Unhirable at one, Unhirable at all. -AAG has Jerry Glass as their centralized labor relations stooge -Common Management? Heck, Envoy's CEO is an AAG Corporate Officer -Same Board of Directors -Same ownership and now, we can add.... -Single Interview, cradle to grave. How they can argue it is still separate is only because ALPA won't cut their own throat and lose 5,000 members. Here is how it worked with the Southwest & AirTran guys https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...SWAPA-ALPA.pdf Here's the one from APA and USAPA.... https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...-APA-USAPA.pdf Here's the one for the Simulator Engineers & Mechanics http://www.twu.org/wp-content/upload...UI%20(4)_1.pdf Point being, with the pipeline program they created a single point of entry to go from college to 777 captain. It is not preferential hiring like at Delta and United where you still must interview and pass all their entry standards. In fact, before the AA HR standards changed you HAD to have a bachelors degree to be hired at AA, UNLESS you were flowing from their regional (Because you were already hired) you just had a deferred start date based upon your seniority. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3054772)
You want it with APA. (although right now would be a bad idea). The NMB can rule it a single transportation system. Here's the criteria:
Single Transportation System The Board determines the existence of a single transportation system based upon Section 19 of the Board’s Representation Manual. Section 19.4 provides that “[a]ny organization or individual may file an application, supported by evidence of representation or a showing of interest seeking a determination whether a single system of transportation exists.” Section 19.501 states that actions by the Carriers constitutes the existence of a single transportation system, such as published combined schedules or combined routes; standardized uniforms; common marketing, markings, or insignia; integrated essential operations such as scheduling or dispatching; centralized labor and personnel operations; combined or common management, corporate officers, and board of directors; combined workforce; and common or overlapping ownership. -Flight Schedules are combined and published as transparent to the customer -Standardized Uniforms even incuding the forced wearing of AA lanyards. Very minor differences, invisible to the average cutormer -Aircraft are all owned by AA now instead of by each individual airline -Shared Training Facilities -AAG HR is the repository of all records. Unhirable at one, Unhirable at all. -AAG has Jerry Glass as their centralized labor relations stooge -Common Management? Heck, Envoy's CEO is an AAG Corporate Officer -Same Board of Directors -Same ownership and now, we can add.... -Single Interview, cradle to grave. How they can argue it is still separate is only because ALPA won't cut their own throat and lose 5,000 members. Here is how it worked with the Southwest & AirTran guys https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...SWAPA-ALPA.pdf Here's the one from APA and USAPA.... https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...-APA-USAPA.pdf Here's the one for the Simulator Engineers & Mechanics http://www.twu.org/wp-content/upload...UI%20(4)_1.pdf Point being, with the pipeline program they created a single point of entry to go from college to 777 captain. It is not preferential hiring like at Delta and United where you still must interview and pass all their entry standards. In fact, before the AA HR standards changed you HAD to have a bachelors degree to be hired at AA, UNLESS you were flowing from their regional (Because you were already hired) you just had a deferred start date based upon your seniority. |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3054772)
You want it with APA. (although right now would be a bad idea). The NMB can rule it a single transportation system. Here's the criteria:
Single Transportation System The Board determines the existence of a single transportation system based upon Section 19 of the Board’s Representation Manual. Section 19.4 provides that “[a]ny organization or individual may file an application, supported by evidence of representation or a showing of interest seeking a determination whether a single system of transportation exists.” Section 19.501 states that actions by the Carriers constitutes the existence of a single transportation system, such as published combined schedules or combined routes; standardized uniforms; common marketing, markings, or insignia; integrated essential operations such as scheduling or dispatching; centralized labor and personnel operations; combined or common management, corporate officers, and board of directors; combined workforce; and common or overlapping ownership. -Flight Schedules are combined and published as transparent to the customer -Standardized Uniforms even incuding the forced wearing of AA lanyards. Very minor differences, invisible to the average cutormer -Aircraft are all owned by AA now instead of by each individual airline -Shared Training Facilities -AAG HR is the repository of all records. Unhirable at one, Unhirable at all. -AAG has Jerry Glass as their centralized labor relations stooge -Common Management? Heck, Envoy's CEO is an AAG Corporate Officer -Same Board of Directors -Same ownership and now, we can add.... -Single Interview, cradle to grave. How they can argue it is still separate is only because ALPA won't cut their own throat and lose 5,000 members. Here is how it worked with the Southwest & AirTran guys https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/wp-c...SWAPA-ALPA.pdf Here's the one from APA and USAPA.... https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...-APA-USAPA.pdf Here's the one for the Simulator Engineers & Mechanics http://www.twu.org/wp-content/upload...UI%20(4)_1.pdf Point being, with the pipeline program they created a single point of entry to go from college to 777 captain. It is not preferential hiring like at Delta and United where you still must interview and pass all their entry standards. In fact, before the AA HR standards changed you HAD to have a bachelors degree to be hired at AA, UNLESS you were flowing from their regional (Because you were already hired) you just had a deferred start date based upon your seniority. |
Originally Posted by Downtime
(Post 3054874)
Wow ok so a few things with this post aren’t quite correct. The flow said you would comply with AA hr standards except the addition of a bachelors degree. Also AA does not require a college degree at present time for anyone. That said without it you are not competitive. Delta and Fedex are the only two I know that require a college degree though I have not looked in a long time. The fact that you sign a waiver for them to view your employee file to check for current discipline problems tells you are not an AA employee yet. Nothing you have on file transfers over you have a whole process to complete.
This is the guy that wanted to do psych testing on our flows, then wanted extra probation, at least an HR mini interview. Over the years Shattuck has tried more **** than you imagine. here’s a tidbit, when my arbitration at Envoy was finally heard, the company (Envoy) had Jack Shattuck (AA HR) as the company representative on the panel..... but we aren’t the same company.... right! 65 posts in your first month, wow. Sure are lots of new posters showing up now that Jerry Glass is preparing to screw everybody over again |
Originally Posted by Cujo665
(Post 3057763)
They’re all correct. They did used to require a bachelors to be hired, except for flow. At one time it was a hard requirement. The waiver is a lawyer CYA thing. If you get fired from one, you are not hirable at any AAG owned company.... did you sign a waiver to share that? It’s a con, like separating Envoy 401k from the AA $uper$aver. Doing everything they can to reasonably make them look separate. The whole P-file transfers over with you. The honest to goodness reason you fill out all the AA paperwork is because of Jack. He hates the flow, always has, and has tried numerous times over the years to mess with it. The only thing he’s been successful in was wanting all the employee records to be the same... so, even though all your stuff eventually transfers over, they make you put it on their HR form.
This is the guy that wanted to do psych testing on our flows, then wanted extra probation, at least an HR mini interview. Over the years Shattuck has tried more **** than you imagine. here’s a tidbit, when my arbitration at Envoy was finally heard, the company (Envoy) had Jack Shattuck (AA HR) as the company representative on the panel..... but we aren’t the same company.... right! 65 posts in your first month, wow. Sure are lots of new posters showing up now that Jerry Glass is preparing to screw everybody over again |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 3057862)
Shattuck goes to all the ENY bi-weekly meetings, at up until I moved on just over a year ago. Can only assume he’s still representing there.
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What’s the deal with Shattuck? Just trying to understand this
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