JustAsking

I know everyone would rather post their opinion about coranavirus and AA stock prices, but I was wondering if someone could answer a few envoy specific questions:

(a) How long is probation and when does it end? (b) when are you covered by the union, and when do union fees/dues begin to be deducted? (c) how much are union fees? (d) how do you know how much vacation/sick time you have accumulated?

Cyio

12 months to those and the dues are 2% of earnings. Sick time can be seen through epays I believe, but would have to double check.

To clarify a tad, the union has some minor protections for you from day one, but it is very minor. You are not really protected until probation is over.

ClappedOut145

Dues for every ALPA carrier are 1.85%

Chato

HI1 shows your sick time.

Cujo665

To clarify that; you are covered by the CBA the same as any other pilot with one exception, which I'll get to. What this means is the company may not treat you any differently than any other line pilot. The same work rules, working conditions, benefits, and rates of pay apply to you as to any non-probation line pilot.

Here's the differences.
If they violate the contract on one of the CBA sections or issues, the union will still take your grievance and fight to defend the contract language, not you specifically, but the CBA. The end result is you get the benefit of them defending the CBA.
If you violate a company rule, regulation, policy or otherwise get into trouble for something that does not violate a CBA section the union is not obligated to defend you. That does not mean they can't, but it would be exceptionally rare.

So, the short version is, they'll defend the CBA even if it means a probationary pilot is getting that benefit; but they won't defend you specifically.
Clear as mud ?

Probation is one year from DOH; be sure to stop in and see your Chief Pilot a few months ahead of that year end for your probation review.

If they are still doing progress report & evaluations on your flight releases, be sure to get several of those submitted by your Captains. I was able to use those successfully many times to get guys out of trouble later. In the digital age the CA's may be the ones doing them now, but in the old days, the Capt would fill them out and give to you to "file." Don't be weird and flood the office with evaluations, but try to get one a month while on probation to show your consistency.

If ALPA is still running the mentor program, and I don't know why they'd stop; call and get put in touch with a mentor volunteer in your base that can help you learn all the ins and outs of Sabre/Res/Decs/Policy and do's and don't's.

Finally, once off probation; consider volunteering at your LEC in some small way. They always need help with something, and it's a great way to meet and make new industry friends. When I ran our LEC, I liked to build the base committees as much as possible because it took a lot of the weight and phone calls off my shoulders. Our contract compliance guys got so good that my contract questions calls dropped in half. Getting great volunteers is key to building a great union.

dera

The union 100% will defend probationary pilots for disciplinary actions. Probationary pilots just don't have access to grievance procedures if the company chooses to release them. Even then a union member will be present.
The union has saved multiple probie guys this year alone by advocating for them and defending their cases.

UncreativeUser

I put in a purchase order at 9.85$ for AA stock. Boy did that pay off. But it’s really hard to say wether or not things will keep trending upwards but AA in general seems to be confident in coming out ahead in this. I’m hopeful for it.


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THKooj

You made an excellent investment. The changes Doug and the team implemented last week underscore their commitment to be the best. Of note, placing Vasu as Chief Revenue Officer is nothing short of brilliant. That's his forte as he has had great success in similar roles previously. I fully expect the stock to solidify here and then move upward again as we continue to transition out of the COVID environment.

pitchattitude

I don’t know how you don’t choke on the KoolAid you guzzle. Or maybe you’re guzzling something else.

You definitely are something else. Once again ignoring things people point out as flaws in your statements and taking your cheerleading to a completely unrelated thread. The title of this thread was asking a completely legit question.

Way to hijack pretty much every post on this thread. But when you do, you will be rebuffed with a more realistic post.

Tyrion

AAL is the red line... 2 year and 5 year comparison with UAL and DAL.