R.I.P. QuickBid, QuickTrade
07-14-2020, 05:51 AM
#61
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[QUOTE=But seriously;3091497]
He already said he’d refund you if you asked.
He never got back to me, I paid through Pay Pal so maybe apparently it’s a done deal.
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
He already said he’d refund you if you asked.
He never got back to me, I paid through Pay Pal so maybe apparently it’s a done deal.
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07-14-2020, 06:05 AM
#62
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
this is the unions BS line. If they weren’t sucking up, they would file a grievance that QT was the status quo. It would be easily backed up when dozens of junior pilots would affirm that the schoolhouse taught “don’t worry about it, you’ll do it all in QT.”
You can not file a grievance over a "status quo" violation over something that has a) never been status quo and b) that is not in the scope of the contract. You need to read some RLA before you spew that garbage in here.
The company allowing an unauthorized app to sneak in DECS is not, and never was, status quo, nor is or can it be protected by the RLA. This is not a contractual dispute, this is AAG data security. An arbitrator would laugh at this grievance. That would be $20k of your dues money well spent. Not.
07-14-2020, 06:42 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by dera
BS line, really? You are clueless man.
You can not file a grievance over a "status quo" violation over something that has a) never been status quo and b) that is not in the scope of the contract. You need to read some RLA before you spew that garbage in here.
The company allowing an unauthorized app to sneak in DECS is not, and never was, status quo, nor is or can it be protected by the RLA. This is not a contractual dispute, this is AAG data security. An arbitrator would laugh at this grievance. That would be $20k of your dues money well spent. Not.
You can not file a grievance over a "status quo" violation over something that has a) never been status quo and b) that is not in the scope of the contract. You need to read some RLA before you spew that garbage in here.
The company allowing an unauthorized app to sneak in DECS is not, and never was, status quo, nor is or can it be protected by the RLA. This is not a contractual dispute, this is AAG data security. An arbitrator would laugh at this grievance. That would be $20k of your dues money well spent. Not.
100% agree. Also, the guys in the school house always told me to learn the Sabre guide, not to rely on QT.
QT was a conduit between the user and Sabre, a system that they never truly had access to. Which means, while AAG pays for each employee to have their login info, QT piggybacks those credentials and was making money off of AAG. That’s how they’re going to view it, regardless if it had great intentions for the pilot group. It was never official.
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07-14-2020, 07:00 AM
#64
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[QUOTE=But seriously;3091497]
He already said he’d refund you if you asked.
I don't know why my username is tied to that post. I never said any of that.
Edit: looks like some APC issue because it did the same to this post.
Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
He already said he’d refund you if you asked.
Edit: looks like some APC issue because it did the same to this post.
07-14-2020, 07:58 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by dera
BS line, really? You are clueless man.
You can not file a grievance over a "status quo" violation over something that has a) never been status quo and b) that is not in the scope of the contract. You need to read some RLA before you spew that garbage in here.
The company allowing an unauthorized app to sneak in DECS is not, and never was, status quo, nor is or can it be protected by the RLA. This is not a contractual dispute, this is AAG data security. An arbitrator would laugh at this grievance. That would be $20k of your dues money well spent. Not.
You can not file a grievance over a "status quo" violation over something that has a) never been status quo and b) that is not in the scope of the contract. You need to read some RLA before you spew that garbage in here.
The company allowing an unauthorized app to sneak in DECS is not, and never was, status quo, nor is or can it be protected by the RLA. This is not a contractual dispute, this is AAG data security. An arbitrator would laugh at this grievance. That would be $20k of your dues money well spent. Not.
Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
100% agree. Also, the guys in the school house always told me to learn the Sabre guide, not to rely on QT.
QT was a conduit between the user and Sabre, a system that they never truly had access to. Which means, while AAG pays for each employee to have their login info, QT piggybacks those credentials and was making money off of AAG. That’s how they’re going to view it, regardless if it had great intentions for the pilot group. It was never official.
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QT was a conduit between the user and Sabre, a system that they never truly had access to. Which means, while AAG pays for each employee to have their login info, QT piggybacks those credentials and was making money off of AAG. That’s how they’re going to view it, regardless if it had great intentions for the pilot group. It was never official.
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07-14-2020, 08:10 AM
#66
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[QUOTE=highfarfast;3091568]
I don't know why my username is tied to that post. I never said any of that.
Edit: looks like some APC issue because it did the same to this post.
Yeah I don’t know how I did that, I’m sorry! Probably just an APC glitch.
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Originally Posted by But seriously
I don't know why my username is tied to that post. I never said any of that.
Edit: looks like some APC issue because it did the same to this post.
Yeah I don’t know how I did that, I’m sorry! Probably just an APC glitch.
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07-14-2020, 10:48 AM
#67
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Originally Posted by AV8R72
I think you miss what defines the term status quo in this context. Even things outside the contract can become status quo, which is the reason the company wants pilots to grieve things the company does that violates that contract, so it doesn’t become the status quo
You are talking about past practice. Status quo is something completely different.
QT is not past practice, because it has no contractual role. Past practice is for interpretations and applications of the CBA. QuickTrade did not even exist when the CBA was ratified.
QT is not status quo, because removing it did not materially change pay, hours or working conditions.
07-14-2020, 12:07 PM
#68
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I flew with MH a lot back in the day before my upgrade. Even though I could never understand why he sat weirdly cross legged in the seat at cruise, I did see him busting his hump on overnights putting out fires, replying to troubleshooting questions, and rewriting code x 500 instances a trip (exaggeration for effect) to make the app work causing undo stress to himself and his family for the betterment of the entire pilot group. That’s what the $5.99 a month paid for.
Perhaps if said individuals were more worried about satisfying their wife than jody’ing up on someone else’s the matter of budgeting for $5.99 per month would not be a issue. Where was all this whining pre covid when you were gobbling up OT trips via the app while your misses was gobbling up Jody? Stay frosty. #GwotTrapLordz
Perhaps if said individuals were more worried about satisfying their wife than jody’ing up on someone else’s the matter of budgeting for $5.99 per month would not be a issue. Where was all this whining pre covid when you were gobbling up OT trips via the app while your misses was gobbling up Jody? Stay frosty. #GwotTrapLordz
07-14-2020, 01:23 PM
#69
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I am pretty amazed at some of the responses in this thread. I mean, some of you are actively bashing the guy for being an entrepreneur and doing something good for the pilot group.
As for the status quo comments, I mean for me it changed the status qua because it has fundamentally made my job harder, less financially rewarding and far more of a hassle. I understand what you are saying dera but I can see why people would get it confused.
Sabre and Decs are antiquated systems and QT simply did what AA has done to all the gate computers, put an easy to use graphical interface over top the ancient sabre. I get it, you can learn it, but there are certainly better things I would rather do in my free time.
Thanks to MH, I for one greatly miss your product and really appreciate not only your hard work but also your drive to better yourself, your family and our lives. Good on you.
As for the status quo comments, I mean for me it changed the status qua because it has fundamentally made my job harder, less financially rewarding and far more of a hassle. I understand what you are saying dera but I can see why people would get it confused.
Sabre and Decs are antiquated systems and QT simply did what AA has done to all the gate computers, put an easy to use graphical interface over top the ancient sabre. I get it, you can learn it, but there are certainly better things I would rather do in my free time.
Thanks to MH, I for one greatly miss your product and really appreciate not only your hard work but also your drive to better yourself, your family and our lives. Good on you.
07-14-2020, 02:49 PM
#70
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Originally Posted by Cyio
I am pretty amazed at some of the responses in this thread. I mean, some of you are actively bashing the guy for being an entrepreneur and doing something good for the pilot group.
As for the status quo comments, I mean for me it changed the status qua because it has fundamentally made my job harder, less financially rewarding and far more of a hassle. I understand what you are saying dera but I can see why people would get it confused.
Sabre and Decs are antiquated systems and QT simply did what AA has done to all the gate computers, put an easy to use graphical interface over top the ancient sabre. I get it, you can learn it, but there are certainly better things I would rather do in my free time.
Thanks to MH, I for one greatly miss your product and really appreciate not only your hard work but also your drive to better yourself, your family and our lives. Good on you.
As for the status quo comments, I mean for me it changed the status qua because it has fundamentally made my job harder, less financially rewarding and far more of a hassle. I understand what you are saying dera but I can see why people would get it confused.
Sabre and Decs are antiquated systems and QT simply did what AA has done to all the gate computers, put an easy to use graphical interface over top the ancient sabre. I get it, you can learn it, but there are certainly better things I would rather do in my free time.
Thanks to MH, I for one greatly miss your product and really appreciate not only your hard work but also your drive to better yourself, your family and our lives. Good on you.
No. The NMB wont let you strike over QT. Thats what status quo violation would mean. And since it operated outside the scope of our CBA, it is not a past practice violation either.
Would I like to see QT back? Yes. Can I live without it? Absolutely. Do I like getting crap for it's removal? Couldn't really give a damn.
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