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Old 07-24-2020, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip0927 View Post
Envoy has stopped bonuses? When did that happen? How did THKooj ‘splain that one?
They stopped them a few classes after the pay raise actually went through.

The Kooj’s explanation should be golden. “Them cutting the bonus is actually a strategic way to improve the flow. You don’t need the bonus anyway... your bonus is that you’re already mainline AA!” *eyeroll* lol.
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Old 07-24-2020, 07:47 PM
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and FLOW
F to pay respects to the flow.
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Old 07-24-2020, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip0927 View Post
Envoy has stopped bonuses? When did that happen? How did THKooj ‘splain that one?
The FO bonuses was offset by an increase in pay. This is something we have been asking for since 2015 or 16.
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Old 07-24-2020, 10:59 PM
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The 17-21k new hire bonus is still in effect but we don’t hire anymore as far as I know
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Old 07-25-2020, 06:06 AM
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The 17-21k new hire bonus is still in effect but we don’t hire anymore as far as I know
Negative ghost rider. They were doing 21k for both fleet types as of early last year and no longer giving an extra 5k from the base 17k if you took/were assigned the 145. I had a friend in the 29JUL19 class who was the beneficiary of being in the last class to get the bonus with the new pay rates in effect. Anybody who started after 29JUL19 was not awarded the new hire bonus.
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Old 07-25-2020, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GroundPointNine View Post
Negative ghost rider. They were doing 21k for both fleet types as of early last year and no longer giving an extra 5k from the base 17k if you took/were assigned the 145. I had a friend in the 29JUL19 class who was the beneficiary of being in the last class to get the bonus with the new pay rates in effect. Anybody who started after 29JUL19 was not awarded the new hire bonus.
The new bonus is structured different, but it was still there. I believe it was 10k day 1, and the rest after IOE.
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Old 07-25-2020, 06:13 AM
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The new bonus is structured different, but it was still there. I believe it was 10k day 1, and the rest after IOE.
^^ correct. I forgot they changed it to 10k first day, 8k after IOE. I’m guessing that when we do start hiring again that the pipeline will be so full of qualified applicants that we won’t offer anything. Just a guess though!
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Old 07-25-2020, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GroundPointNine View Post
^^ correct. I forgot they changed it to 10k first day, 8k after IOE. I’m guessing that when we do start hiring again that the
pipeline will be so full of qualified applicants that we won’t offer anything. Just a guess though!
Including paid ATP-CTP? Any rumblings about that?
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Old 07-25-2020, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by GroundPointNine View Post
F to pay respects to the flow.
So forget pay but push for flow. Well flow dont happen without a newhire class at american. Sorry.
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Old 07-25-2020, 08:01 AM
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^^ correct. I forgot they changed it to 10k first day, 8k after IOE. I’m guessing that when we do start hiring again that the pipeline will be so full of qualified applicants that we won’t offer anything. Just a guess though!
Seems to me there are 100 pilots or so that are going to get screwed by their own bonus. The company wouldn’t let them finish IOE so they don’t have to pay the bonus. Now they are in the line of fire to get furloughed because they haven’t finished training.

The union can’t negotiate furlough protection in exchange for forgoing the bonus because the bonus is outside the CBA. On the other hand, individual pilots can’t negotiate that with the company either because furloughs ARE governed by the CBA. It’s a lousy situation.
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