Nice one. I remember going to the mess hall in 2005 and wondering if we’d get called to attention to hear the name of another guy read off at the start of breakfast. Or in 2010, wondering how many of my friends would get killed (wound up being four that year). There are, frankly, too many folks I know whose faces are frozen in their early-mid 20’s from almost 20 years of continuous conflict. To be honest, I’m really glad that the previous Administration didn’t get some of its more hawkish desires fulfilled, because I’m pretty sick of hearing about guys getting killed or disabled for (who knows at this point). So yeah, guess I’ll go worry about other stuff.

I look forward to folks getting back to griping about MIA flying, etc., instead of this ridiculous back and forth.

LoneStar is a known troll and moron. Much like TheDork, you just need to ignore them. These forums have turned ugly as of late filled with morons who like to moonlight as entomologist’s, airline industry experts, soothsayers, accountants and lawyers, among other things.

I actually agree with Cujo on this. Wholly owned's are a far, far different animal than some run of the mill contract regional. They ONLY exist to fill some routes that the legacy (AA) decides. AA owns Envoy so Envoy actually OWNS the routes unlike a contractor.

Yeah, good point. However, much like Beetlejuice, it looks like you summoned El Kooj... (See post right below yours)

Feel free to point out where I was wrong. And if you want to play the military card on me too, go ahead. But keep in mind that probably close to half of us in the forum currently serve or have served before.

Back to your cave of delusion.

Yes, AA OWNS Envoy and AA owns ALL the flying. Envoy owns nothing. If Envoy OWNED the routes, you think they would let anyone else fly them?? NO! Envoy is TOLD what they will fly.

That probably takes the cake of the clearly ridiculous things you have posted.

Amazing he was able to one up himself huh?

Actually, humanity in general and certain individuals specifically, never cease to prove their ability to reach new benchmarks.

It also says the GTFO of ORD and leave it to the lifers. Those lines are bad. Time for almost everyone to get some boots and preference to the Big D.

And got 8,000 unionized skilled workers on Keystone XL laid off, likely most of whom voted for him.

And got Canada, our closest ally, P.O.d with us.


The one day in office approval flash poll is/was:

Biden 48%
Trump 56%
Obama 67%

The first day is the Honeymoon phase, it is all downhill from there for most all Presidents.

So 40 CA / 125 FO vacancies. Are those FO vacancies for guys returned from furlough or downgrades? Since 125 is so much less than 227ish (or whatever the final number was.... too many) second round of furloughs on the horizon?

They have to fill unfilled FO vacancies with recalls.

Furloughs again? Doubtful, but maybe. Honestly seems like a flip of the coin these days. I genuinely can’t see us furloughing pilots though while PSA is bringing new guys on property, and LCC’s are starting to hire again.

I thought PSA had over 700 pilots on furlough? I’m still curious to why the sudden new hire announcement. YX going all in on LGA is another head scratcher. We shall have answers in time I guess.

Remember when ORD was the future of the 175? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Now the question is how long until the mass exodus to DFW and MIA can be absorbed.

“Guy on internet quoting unnamed flash poll”... the gold standard of political science

It seems to me that if they want to furlough on APR01 they’ll need to send out WARN letters next week at the latest. I’m not 100% certain, but I’m pretty sure that the old letters have expired and since everyone has been recalled (whether or not they are in training), they would have to re-furlough so... new letters.
If we get to this time next week with no letters... no furlough APR01.

That is my understanding as well... no WARN by 31Jan, no 01Apr furlough. My question is more surrounding accounting for the 100 or so pilot difference between recalls and FO vacancies (I don’t have any knowledge of how many accepted recall). Maybe it doesn’t have any significance at all. Just curious. But as you said, we should know in the next week or so good or bad.

Weren’t there a bunch of unfilled DFW 175 FO slots on the last bid? Some of the furloughs have already been slotted for training (in March...I think), so they must already have a “next status”. I don’t know if that would account for all of the “missing” vacancies, but it could account for some of them.

On the other hand, this is pure speculation. I have no inside information to back it up.

All the PSA guys were able to bid for new training classes when they were recalled, as opposed to envoy where we’ve got guys sitting on their hands with no idea when they’ll be recalled.

But, but, offthewazooimaQ.com flash polls says he won!!!

😂😂😂

Let’s take some guesses.

what do you think will be the lowest seniority CA and FO in Miami?

You can look at a seniority list that had MIA on it and get a pretty good idea. Start with the last guy awarded MIA and count down the people that didn’t get it in each seat. Probably be some difference, but pretty close.

You can look it up yourself. It is factual.

600ish for CA

No idea on FO

Remember when TransWorld used to post funny and witty comments instead of turning every thread political? Pepperidge Farm remembers

Good one! I forgot about that. Based on the guys that didn’t get it last time I say it might get to 800ish.

Uhhhh, please don’t comment on military operations anymore.

I agree. Unfortunately LoneStar identifies as part of YX which is sad. But yes extreme troll and he is known amongst the pilot group to have sucked off a CKA to get qualified. True story.

If you think every post from me is political, and nothing is funny and witty anymore, you have a warped perception. Or Alzheimer’s is setting in.

New hire announcement is to encourage recalls.

That or to prepare to take the AAG owned CR9’s from Mesa this summer. Hire now to have them ready in a few months.

The recalls occurred before the new hire announcement. Recall letters were received December 23rd and the announcement of new hires wasn’t until mid January after the period you could accept or deny recall. That has nothing to do with it

^Unfortunately in this environment hiring for one probably means terrible news for another. What wouldn’t make sense is the last MESA earnings call made the American situation sound optimistic.

If there's one thing I've been taught over and over and over by my experience at Envoy, it's that you should never read into staffing.

Remember when we had 180 FO's on reserve OFE for like 6 months and everyone was like "something huge is coming?"

Lol.

If, and I stress the IF, AAG takes the 900s from Mesa and sends them over to PSA its only for up to 10 this year. We parked 19 deuces if I remember correctly. Even if those 10 came to PSA we are still grossly overstaffed and wouldn't need to hire to cover them. I also don't believe many declined the recall. I'm pretty sure everyone over here is scratching their heads as to why and what's going on because it does not make sense at all.