Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182933)

Lmfao so what, congratulations. Are the wash outs still fired or not?? How many line pilots were furloughed at Envoy? How many new hires were sent home on furlough?

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182933)

Lmfao so what, congratulations. Are the wash outs still fired or not?? How many line pilots were furloughed at Envoy? How many new hires were sent home on furlough?

Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3182939)

Applying your elementary logic:

If you fail training at Skywest and are 'let go' (whatever term you desire). You wouldn't have to disclose it, because you never worked there.

Do I have this correct?

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182941)

That is correct, you’re asked to resign.

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3182942)

Is this your final answer?
You have a few lifelines left, might want to consider using them.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182944)

Ok I’d like to make a phone call to my dear friend Dera please?

Hey Dera you there?? Yeah uh Dera how many of your line pilots were furloughed? How many have been recalled?

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182952)

I’ll answer your questions when you answer mine.

Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182944)

Ok I’d like to make a phone call to my dear friend Dera please?

Hey Dera you there?? Yeah uh Dera how many of your line pilots were furloughed? How many have been recalled?

Originally Posted by dera (Post 3182950)

It's not a very good strategy to use a lifeline to answer a question you were not asked.

I’ll bite

You said: You do not have to disclose employment at Skywest if you wash out from training.

Depends on what you wash out for? We had a guy in our class never fail a PRIA, he used up all his sim time in maneuvers, never got signed off, asked to resign. (Ended up at expressjet, yikes)

You still want to lock that answer? I would love you to say that at an airline interview, especially after 5Y3591.

I’d say you’re lying on your next interview if you hide around the stance that you resigned. But that’s up to the individual if he wants to be truthful or not, and that individual will have to live with the consequences if his new employer decides to dig further.

And I'm still waiting for your answer about our MEC and how you know what they think about the flow. Want to expand that a bit more?

Why even include flow time in the seniority list? Do you really need to know your flow time every month, probably not, but I’d say it’s a reminder that potential glory is at the end of the tunnel.

And while we are at it, you are saying you took no concessions. Did your LOA/MOU or whatever it was called say the company can involuntarily junior man pilots to VTO if they don't have enough takers?

The answer is NO, we did not take concessions. No matter how hard you to try to spin it, the answer is still No. NOBODY has been junior manned onto VTO.

Side note: The pilots who took the Paid time off (55 hours of guaranteed credit per month I believe) for the most part have high paying secondary incomes and absolutely love the VTO/PTO program. Most are probably making more money now then precovid. So I wouldn’t bash that program to hard, it’s a win-win for everyone involved.

Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 3182955)

Look, it’s looks like to me you’re passionate about who you work for. I get it, wether SKW is a first regional for you like ENY is a first regional for myself, we cannot ever forget that we are all pawns in the bigger chess game here. It seems to me you’re losing sight of that, you shouldn’t give a rats a** about who furloughed less or who can hire more. Who gets one base and who doesn’t. We are getting set up to go against each other. And while SKW may have the awesome 5000+ pilot group you have, just wait until the big three starts messing with your company and your pilot group, and the race to the bottom begins. Your company knows how to cost cut and when to be ruthless, just like ours does.

We stood up to the company to keep our rates that we fought hard for, as a cadet I would have understood too despite how frustrating that is. Additionally, you cannot blame the company for cost cutting either. It’s a fluid situation and it sucks having to watch my friends get furloughed. But again, this could possibly get bigger than “who furloughed who, my regional is better than yours” over the course of this year.


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