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LAXtoDEN 01-17-2021 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3182882)
Nobody at Envoy who remotely pays attention believes that. The MEC updates the pilots monthly with a seniority list spreadsheet of flow projections, most are around a decade.

That’s still a projection though. It’s not guaranteed, could be shorter, could be substantially longer than a decade. That’s really just a reminder from your MEC that “hey look we still got you a flow!”. Every airline has it’s own flavor of koolaid.

dera 01-17-2021 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182890)
That’s still a projection though. It’s not guaranteed, could be shorter, could be substantially longer than a decade. That’s really just a reminder from your MEC that “hey look we still got you a flow!”. Every airline has it’s own flavor of koolaid.

Really? You are saying ENY MEC is trying to sell flow to the pilot group?
That's the biggest load of garbage I've heard in a VERY long time.

LAXtoDEN 01-17-2021 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3182892)
Really? You are saying ENY MEC is trying to sell flow to the pilot group?
That's the biggest load of garbage I've heard in a VERY long time.

Alright I’m getting tired of the back and forth, you have your opinion and I have mine. I live under the concept that everyone has an incentive. If your MEC is taking the time out of there day to send you monthly reminders of your projected flow time, there’s a reason.

pitchattitude 01-17-2021 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182897)
Alright I’m getting tired of the back and forth, you have your opinion and I have mine. I live under the concept that everyone has an incentive. If your MEC is taking the time out of there day to send you monthly reminders of your projected flow time, there’s a reason.

Yes, there is a reason, but actually quite the opposite of what you think. The seniority list is updated and provided so people know where they stand, for bidding or whatever, as well as know who has managed to make it out. The company seniority list is only officially updated twice a year. The “flow information” is a small part of what is on that list and if anything it’s a reminder of HOW LITTLE VALUE IT IS and an incentive to do anything else you can to get out.

LAXtoDEN 01-17-2021 07:13 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3182900)
Yes, there is a reason, but actually quite the opposite of what you think. The seniority list is updated and provided so people know where they stand, for bidding or whatever, as well as know who has managed to make it out. The company seniority list is only officially updated twice a year. The “flow information” is a small part of what is on that list and if anything it’s a reminder of HOW LITTLE VALUE IT IS and an incentive to do anything else you can to get out.

Your company only updates the seniority list twice a year??? WTH.

dera 01-17-2021 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182897)
Alright I’m getting tired of the back and forth, you have your opinion and I have mine. I live under the concept that everyone has an incentive. If your MEC is taking the time out of there day to send you monthly reminders of your projected flow time, there’s a reason.

Mine is not an opinion. It is a fact.
I know more about what our MEC thinks than you do, I can pretty much 110% guarantee that.

Cujo665 01-17-2021 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182897)
Alright I’m getting tired of the back and forth, you have your opinion and I have mine. I live under the concept that everyone has an incentive. If your MEC is taking the time out of there day to send you monthly reminders of your projected flow time, there’s a reason.

Yeah, to politely throw it in managements face that they lied repeatedly.......
And to provide realistic seniority, equipment, base data to the pilots.

You’re throwing stones at Envoy while it sounds like you’ve already taken both concessions and furloughs. Nice job by the student council. Oh wait... anything they do is really nothing more than a suggestion.... which is why you have so many guys on zero time lines. Someday you’ll learn. At a regional, its Full pay to the last day.

For most, Don’t wait to flow. Get out of the regionals at your first opportunity. LCC, ACMI are both better options. The difference is night and day

LAXtoDEN 01-17-2021 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3182913)
Yeah, to politely throw it in managements face that they lied repeatedly.......
And to provide realistic seniority, equipment, base data to the pilots.

You’re throwing stones at Envoy while it sounds like you’ve already taken both concessions and furloughs. Nice job by the student council. Oh wait... anything they do is really nothing more than a suggestion.... which is why you have so many guys on zero time lines. Someday you’ll learn. At a regional, its Full pay to the last day.

For most, Don’t wait to flow. Get out of the regionals at your first opportunity. LCC, ACMI are both better options. The difference is night and day

I didn’t initiate the stone throwing. We haven’t taken concessions or furloughs. Zero time lines??? What are you talking about exactly? Are your referring to our VTO (voluntary time off) and PTO (Paid time off)? Both are Voluntary and bid for by the pilot. Nobody in the 175 looking for time off is being approved FYI.

You’re not officially hired until you pass your IOE line check. Not a single pilot on the line has been furloughed. Not a single pilot on the line has taken any concessions, unless by his or her choice.

I’m still receiving the multiple profit, financial, and performance sharing bonuses we’re given each year. In fact out of ORD nothings really changed for us. Still working my four day trips every month, west coast flying.

Swakid8 01-17-2021 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by LAXtoDEN (Post 3182914)
I didn’t initiate the stone throwing. We haven’t taken concessions or furloughs. Zero time lines??? What are you talking about exactly? Are your referring to our VTO (voluntary time off) and PTO (Paid time off)? Both are Voluntary and bid for by the pilot. Nobody in the 175 looking for time off is being approved FYI.

You’re not officially hired until you pass your IOE line check. Not a single pilot on the line has been furloughed. Not a single pilot on the line has taken any concessions, unless by his or her choice.

I’m still receiving the multiple profit, financial, and performance sharing bonuses we’re given each year. In fact out of ORD nothings really changed for us. Still working my four day trips every month, west coast flying.

‘Considering most unioned Regional carriers, you are considered hired Day 1 of Indoc.........

LAXtoDEN 01-17-2021 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3182931)
‘Considering most unioned Regional carriers, you are considered hired Day 1 of Indoc.........

Lmfao so what, congratulations. Are the wash outs still fired or not?? How many line pilots were furloughed at Envoy? How many new hires were sent home on furlough?

It’s unfortunate to hear your management sucks so much your own MEC has to send out a diss email every month, that’s rough. It’s hilarious that because your management sucks so much, that must automatically mean SkyWest management sucks just as much, the pilots are just “fools”. What a joke.


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