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-   -   What’s the point of FLOW? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/131890-whatis-point-flow.html)

ninerdriver 12-17-2020 05:04 PM
Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 3172043)
I believe if no flow existed...an envoy pilot would have a shorter prison sentence either through personal motivations or applications activeness.
​​​​​​...and this is the point of the flow.

Finessed 12-17-2020 05:11 PM
Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR (Post 3172043)
this is the point of the thread. Envoyers are ear marked. I believe if no flow existed...an envoy pilot would have a shorter prison sentence either through personal motivations or applications activeness.
Well it’s also very rare to not serve substantially more of a “prison sentence” when you show up on property at ANY regional with all your certificates through ATP and no degree. The big 3 don’t even look at individuals with no degree, I’ve never met anyone at mainline with no degree in hand. I’m not saying we don’t have them, but it has to be extremely rare.

I don’t have the statistics but the 3 WO’s seem to have a substantial amount of ATP pilots with no degree, that doesn’t help movement. Also when you believe you’ll end up at American, what’s the point of spending six figures to earn a bachelor’s?

Freighthotdog 12-17-2020 05:55 PM
Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3171885)
it’s almost as if the company is turning around and getting a whiff of that horse$hit they stepped in and have been smearing up and down the hallway now. Too many under qualified, under experienced, under trained pilots have been hired in the last few years.
seems like most of the regional industry

SoaringSW 12-17-2020 05:58 PM
Does the flow (hiring at AA) only start after all 1600+ furloughed pilots are recalled?

Freighthotdog 12-17-2020 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3172066)
Well it’s also very rare to not serve substantially more of a “prison sentence” when you show up on property at ANY regional with all your certificates through ATP and no degree. The big 3 don’t even look at individuals with no degree, I’ve never met anyone at mainline with no degree in hand. I’m not saying we don’t have them, but it has to be extremely rare.

I don’t have the statistics but the 3 WO’s seem to have a substantial amount of ATP pilots with no degree, that doesn’t help movement. Also when you believe you’ll end up at American, what’s the point of spending six figures to earn a bachelor’s?
The only guys at the big 3 without degrees are the ones who were hired back in the late 70s or worked at a smaller carrier and then were merged into AA/UA/DL

highfarfast 12-17-2020 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by SoaringSW (Post 3172086)
Does the flow (hiring at AA) only start after all 1600+ furloughed pilots are recalled?
Yes. That s how it works. Which means no flow for a long time.

Sperrysan 12-17-2020 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by BurnerAccount69 (Post 3171742)
Yep, I've talked to a ton of guys that are looking to jump ship out of the WO's.
I doubt many people will actually leave given the climate right now. Pilots and jets are very similar. Both filled with hot air.

Varsity 12-17-2020 06:59 PM
Originally Posted by Finessed (Post 3172066)
Well it’s also very rare to not serve substantially more of a “prison sentence” when you show up on property at ANY regional with all your certificates through ATP and no degree. The big 3 don’t even look at individuals with no degree, I’ve never met anyone at mainline with no degree in hand. I’m not saying we don’t have them, but it has to be extremely rare.

I don’t have the statistics but the 3 WO’s seem to have a substantial amount of ATP pilots with no degree, that doesn’t help movement. Also when you believe you’ll end up at American, what’s the point of spending six figures to earn a bachelor’s?
I can't speak for PSA or Piedmont, but most pilots at Envoy have a degree.

highfarfast 12-17-2020 08:18 PM
Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 3172119)
I can't speak for PSA or Piedmont, but most pilots at Envoy have a degree.
I would agree with "most" for sure. I have flown with quite a few that don't though. More than I would have expected until I understood 'flow'. But I've spent no time with another regional for comparison.

BurnerAccount69 12-18-2020 05:04 AM
Originally Posted by Sperrysan (Post 3172118)
I doubt many people will actually leave given the climate right now. Pilots and jets are very similar. Both filled with hot air.
If (big if) any of the LCCs start hiring this coming year, esp if you're a florida commuter, it makes sense. I won't rule it out.

In regards to the degree thing, most guys i've flown with have it. I'm in the minority on that but i'll have it done within 6 months, so whatever.


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