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THKooj 12-18-2020 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3172305)
I think your equation misses the fact that the WO pilot has 1) already been making them money for a few years, so they’ve probably already paid off that training cost at AA and re-recruiting cost at the WO, and 2) (for what little it’s worth) we’ve been using the same FOM/AOM and are familiar with DECS/CCI and all the other out dated junk AA runs on

Wow, can't believe it but you hit the nail on the head. To throw more icing on the cake, Envoy has the exact same uniforms, seamless payroll system, flies NN registerd aircraft in addition the caveat of already knowing the system, flight plans, DECS, Jetnet, etc.

NoValueAviator 12-18-2020 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3172332)
the whole thing is like a casino-metering effect. Let enough people win and they go tell their buddies how great it is.

This is all you really need to know about the flow from the outside looking in, hopefuls. I'm sure most won't take it to heart, but the smart ones will.

and as much as they hate it, Envoy needs smart people.

GroundPointNine 12-18-2020 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3172321)
Wow, can't believe it but you hit the nail on the head. To throw more icing on the cake, Envoy has the exact same uniforms, seamless payroll system, flies NN registerd aircraft in addition the caveat of already knowing the system, flight plans, DECS, Jetnet, etc.

Flying the NN registered aircraft is a game changer. Imagine how crazy of a transition it would be to fly something with a SK or even an AE behind it. #AlreadyAmerican

/sarcasm

dera 12-18-2020 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by GroundPointNine (Post 3172337)
Flying the NN registered aircraft is a game changer. Imagine how crazy of a transition it would be to fly something with a SK or even an AE behind it. #AlreadyAmerican

/sarcasm

Or AN, JN, JW, MW, MQ, FR, RN, LK.
did i miss one?

LoneStar32 12-18-2020 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by GroundPointNine (Post 3172337)
Flying the NN registered aircraft is a game changer. Imagine how crazy of a transition it would be to fly something with a SK or even an AE behind it. #AlreadyAmerican

/sarcasm

And imagine already knowing how to fly from ORD to CLT. And Jetnet? JEEEEEEETNEEEET!!?!?!?!?!? OMG, that is just icing on the cake. Talk about being overqualified. But that guy on the 787 already.

CLE to IAH 12-18-2020 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3172321)
Wow, can't believe it but you hit the nail on the head. To throw more icing on the cake, Envoy has the exact same uniforms, seamless payroll system, flies NN registerd aircraft in addition the caveat of already knowing the system, flight plans, DECS, Jetnet, etc.

hey I was in Home Depot earlier buying air filters and I got the idea to do a new fire pit in my backyard. So that’s got me wondering.... I know you guys sell kits but how much can I save if I go the DIY route? Just buy a bunch of stone and rock etc? I don’t really want keystones, at least not the ones with that lip on them. What do you recommend? Are y’all having any Christmas sales etc?

thanks in advance.

Excargodog 12-18-2020 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3172305)
I think your equation misses the fact that the WO pilot has 1) already been making them money for a few years, so they’ve probably already paid off that training cost at AA and re-recruiting cost at the WO, and 2) (for what little it’s worth) we’ve been using the same FOM/AOM and are familiar with DECS/CCI and all the other out dated junk AA runs on

You seriously think AA HR gives the north end of a southbound rat that you have ‘probably already paid off’ the training and re-recruiting cost at the WO? That positively reeks of the ‘sunk cost’ fallacy. Management types know better than that.

If AA seriously valued you as a major resource they could easily have a consolidated pilot seniority list that would start as new WO hire. Or they could just NOT meter the flow to limit it. But they don’t want that.

Moving you up to the major is still AN AVOIDABLE INCREMENTAL COST to AA that they do not incur when they hire military or OTS, and neither of those groups has had any serious difficulty coping with the FOM/AOM or other AA/WO procedures.

Face it, the purpose of the flow is to staff the WO. The major could easily - and more cheaply - be staffed simply with OTS and ex-military hires. At least once all the furloughed at the major are recalled.


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ninerdriver 12-18-2020 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3172321)
flies NN registerd aircraft

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PilotBases 12-18-2020 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3172363)

Forget UWE time, NN time is the single most valuable type of time out there.


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