likely quite awhile after that. There will still be a training lag.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/apa-...ed-pilots.html

And at that, it’s simpler and cheaper to do recalls than new type ratings. And with fleets with multiple type ratings - like American - the training requirements as people change types are more extensive than simple recurrency training. There are only so many sims and trainers and whatever equipment is doing the most flying - which right now is the junior equipment - is the limiting factor in recalling people.

Nothing happens quickly.

Inflated bonuses to get you in the door, the prospect of flow to keep your butt in the seat. All to work near industry low QOL rules and pay (especially at the CA level where it counts). Sounds like to me the whole "point" of flow is working really really well for one side.

lol, who the f@!@ are you kidding? Envoy was hiring anybody with a pulse before COVID hit.

Anyone who spends over $100k to earn a degree is an idiot (medical doctors excluded)

Then we have a ton of idiots in this country. No way you don’t break $100,000 if you attend out of state. In state a tuition, cheapest I’ve seen is $9,000 a semester which would ring you up around $70,000 after it’s all said and done (state schools normally). Obviously scholarships can mitigate some costs.

It comes down to the degree you hold, and from where do you hold it. I’d say the best degree for the price I’ve ever seen is in state tuition, University of Texas, Finance program. They have a substantial amount of grads who work for the likes of Goldman Sacks and other Wall Street banks. Not to mention wall street is starting to move down to Texas if you’ve read the recent news.

I can't speak for Envoy, but at PSA with all the base closures and downgrades it's gone from probably 70-80% of my FO's saying they'd wait for the flow down to 20-30% anecdotally of course.

As for Captains pretty much everyone I've talked to has shifted to jump ship asap mentality especially if they have their 1,000 pic (for whatever that's worth now).

Personally I've always had my eyes on the LCC's for the QOL but I know in the past I was in the minority.

You're just now realizing that?


Nonsense. Not sure where you're looking but there are hundreds of (accredited) institutions across the country one can get a degree for a fraction of that.

If you look at it dispassionately, AA doesn’t WANT to flow people, because it is more costly to them than a military or OTS hire.

No major has a serious problem getting applicants. But in order to flow someone AA not only must train the person they pick up but backfill that person’s slot at the WO, which means recruiting and training costs for the replacement. If AA can instead pick up some competing regional guy, not only do they get the guy for nothing but the other guys regional will have to recruit and train the replacement.

It’s a two-fer, they save money by not having to replace the WO regional guy and cost the competition by making them find and train a replacement.

And retiring/separating military pilots? Millions of dollars of taxpayer funded training? People who have mostly NEVER been in a union? Many with a pension and healthcare benefits already? They can’t snap those up quick enough.

so yeah, it’s not - and never will be - about staffing the major. It’s about keeping the WO guys there long enough that they get senior enough that it’s easier to just not make the jump to the major where they’ll go back to being on reserve in the junior base and be furlough-bait for the next downturn.