Envoy isn’t taking RTPs. With the current environment, it may be a while. And TBH, depending on the individual’s situation if you can find a place to train locally and remain employed at your current location you’re probably better off. RTP always takes longer than advertised, meanwhile you are unemployed, away from home and paying extra for a place to live. Several extra months of not having income can burn up any benefits. Try to find someone you can split the cost of the rental with and or the cheapest plane you can log the time in.

And make sure that Envoy is truly the best regional for your situation. If there are other options, you need to strongly consider them.

Do they get those new carbon ones?

Probably. I’m sure they get monogrammed handles as well and light up wheels. Only the finest for the cadets.

After inquiring more, he actually finished his multi add on with Instrument at Coast Flight San Marcos all paid for by ENY and even got a sign on bonus as of early 2020 before covid hit. He showed me some emails as of March last year to send in his paperwork to HQ right after his training. But things didn't go as planned and I've advised him to constantly email them till someone there responds 😁😁 and also keep himself busy with his drills.

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I thought they were giving the cadet's the same travelpros the FA's get.

Since they didn’t give him his class date within 6 months, he should be free from the contract.

Why would he not go somewhere better at this point?

I told him same but it appears he's got the shiny jet syndrome.:D
Some people are hard to convince once they've got their sights locked.

Hope that’s not why. Cadets get first choice, so there’s a good chance if you’re not a cadet, NO SNJ for you! Envoy is still about 35% 145s.

More power to you

The first new hire classes will likely be split between fleets filled mostly with cadets. Gonna be some unhappy folks there.

They’ll survive just fine. I’m sure Envoy will find a way to compensate their hurt feelings.

a year of phone calls at 0401 to do airport standby at o'hare

Envoy will have to stop hiring...they are in violation of a section 7.

Was it a full guarantee that all cadets go to the 175 if there's vacancy on the 145? If they've got their feelings hurt due to aircraft type then they're fully welcome to envoy.

Out of curiosity, what’s the upgrade time for both metals. Also, if the upgrade is around the same time, why do the 145 FO’s not transfer to the 175?

10,000 year FO seatlock. only way out is upgrade (impossible above like sen#1200 right now), and displacement

Oh... so that’s why. I thought a 2 year seat-lock was brutal...

I’m surprised that wouldn’t be a top bucket list item by the Union. Anyways, appreciate the answer, always wonder wtf the deal was with that.

it makes day one extremely high stakes here at envoy in terms of your first few years QOL

less so now that they staff the fleets roughly proportionately though, the 145 used to be the surplus new hire dumpster leading to 24 months reserve times while 175 fos had a line the next month after finishing IOE

But if the class is nothing but cadets, you better have been a cadet a LONG time. 🤣

Actually according to article 12, Envoy has to furlough 500 pilots

If the cadet was smart, he/she may call in to figure out how many cadets are in the class, if the odds are not favorable, move back a class or two.

Normally you never sacrifice seniority, but being seat locked unless you upgrade doesn’t make the seniority list carry the weight it should. This sounds like your seniority at new hire class jeopardizes your entire QOL at Envoy. It shouldn’t work like that.

That’s the way it is anywhere. You could be hired at a mainline and it was a crap shoot as to what airframes and bases are available. Wide body international and maybe live in base or narrow body and have to commute.

But yes, normally not seat locked until upgrade.

Yeah that’s unfortunately true as well.

I’d give even money that anyone getting placed on the 145 right now will get displaced off by the time a “typical” 24mo seatlock would be up anyway. They are staffing it to meet current demand, but the fleet is generally slated to shrink.

Except those senior to them will PDIS over them and go to the heavy leaving them cadets to suffer longer on the 145. It’s a beautiful system.

Care to elaborate?
I'm not sure what you are talking about.

I agree the long term plan was to shrink the 145 fleet, but not sure how much more very soon. That would mean either shrinking Envoy even more or buying more 170s. And I do mean 170s, not 175s. With AAG selling the last six new ones to Republic and Skywest flying another 25, I don’t know how many more large RJs, if any they can add. There aren’t that many 170s out there and AAG just isn’t in the new plane buying mode.

Just wanted to quote this to bring it onto the next page, incase someone's breathing deep on that hopium lmao

tbh if you can't fly the 145 you have no business being an airline pilot anyway, it's not that hard

I no longer fly the type but when I sense weakness I compulsively hit the v/s button, even if im pilot monitoring and regardless of what's going on

For what it's worth it was the new generation of pilots saying no to pay and quality of life like that that led to the regionals not being able to fill classes which forced them to increase pay and QOL.

Airlines should have to compete with each other to fill classes, that's what is best for all pilots.

Exactly, we won't gain anything if everyone keeps working for pennies. A great example is Breeze, I'll be amazed if they can actually staff that place with the current pay rates and requirements.

i'm sure many are accepting jobs there thinking exactly that, but there can only be so many free riders hoping the market forces their wages up after the fact, before the airline is minimally staffed

Idiotic thinking like this is why regionals even exist at all.

We have thousands of pilots on the street with the recent shutdowns, Breeze took advantage of it. You also have the crowd who looks at Breeze as an opportunity to gain a high seniority number by sacrificing their pay now. It’s a huge bet that could pay off nicely. But yes, the current pay rate is terrible.