Hiring Resuming
 

Envoy will resume pilot recruitment and hiring effective immediately.

​​​​​​Thanks for the update but we need it in action. The engine must be hand propelled 😁

Well I doubt they’d just say it without actually planning on putting it in action, seems as though they’re looking for external applications again, not just hiring cadets. Good news for all.

How many cadets jump on the psa transfer.
can they change their minds and come to envoy as they were planned. Interesting just a few weeks different. Just shows aag is inept more than one thought.

I know some guys from college who took that offer, they basically got signed onto PSA as PSA cadets before getting a class. All their financial obligations are to PSA now, and some are already in class.

Definitely exciting news, they must be speeding up the rate of recalls if they’re already looking to hire.

Between half the list applying to Frontier/Spirit, and AA taking bodies in Q3/4, it was inevitable.

Pilots on property got a heavy dose of the envoy and are getting out at the first chance of a job somewhere else.

Our MEC just went to an ACMI carrier that doesn't even require an ATP anymore.

All the cadets that got a class date at PSA have the option to return to Envoy up until 7 days before the class date at PSA. There is no penalty for coming back, and you do not lose your place in line at Envoy.

Anyone know when New Hires will hit the class?

This. Envoy sort of ruined me for the entire AA ecosystem, although I didn’t go to an ACMI

There are still furloughed (“inactive”) pilots that don’t have training dates yet, so it will probably be a few months. That’s pure speculation though.

Would of been nice for those of us that had Envoy CJOs, but now expired, got an email inviting us back, instead .... seems we have to re-apply all over again

Are DEC also being offered?

Not a chance. Pretty sure that every direct entry Captain had been downgraded. Not sure what the hire date of the lowest seniority Captain is, but there are at least 800 people, many of whom now have the time, that will be in front of anyone hired AFTER all the sitting pilots get trained. The days of DECs at envoy are over for a few years at least.

Last i checked the junior captain at envoy is about 1100 of (about 2300ish) seniority give or take. There are LOTS of Direct entry captains who were downgraded, and lots more who are ca qualified, and WANT to upgrade but have been unable to hold it.

Not every DEC was downgraded, though a lot were. The rest of this is spot on. CA upgrade will go by seniority not “enough hours” for the foreseeable future.

Junior CA is in the 1500 seniority range. Also due to the nature of airlines you will have more CAs than FOs so the minimum amount of CAs at Envoy right now would be 1200ish.

After the last bid, junior captain is just under 1300 on the 145s in both ORD and DFW. While that number didn’t really change, the seniority on 175s has been shuffled around. The newest Captain upgrade was senior to that with most of the new captains being folks that had managed to not be force upgraded and were 2016-17 hires.

I didn't look closely at the last bid, just today's reserve list.

Looking at the union comm that was sent and cross checked with the flow plan it looks like the most junior captain is a DCE at 1287


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Lets get some facts straight, that ACMI carrier is recruiting collegiate R-ATP applicants for the 737 fleet only.

Still require a ATP and experience to get hired into the other fleets.

With Envoy hiring now, approximately how long will it take to get the furloughed folks back/trained before a new hire class is brought on board?

EDIT ----Disregard, I see someone a few posts back said probably a few months at the soonest. Thanks.

So are they taking applications or interviewing now or not? I figure they need to know when the last recall will be finished but then they can schedule normal classes after that.

Asking for a friend....

To the best of my knowledge they just announced the hiring just to draw attention as everyone else is onboarding and they might look bad. But in reality a couple of weeks/months from the actual new hire/previous cjo recall classes.

I’ll be interested to see how many of the furloughs come back.

This. The Atlas side is still competitive. 121 PIC time pretty much required.

They aren’t allowing deferrals, so if we don’t accept recall, they are considering it our resignation. For that reason alone, most will be coming back. Plus all of us still owe money for ATP-CTP and bonuses.

Might want to avoid referring to yourself when talking about a relatively small group that could potentially identify you. You never want to be on the wrong side of the social media police and be identifiable. Just saying.

So you’re saying you have heard...

I’m sure that they allowed the negotiated deferrals as per the CBA.

The problem is, everyone was “recalled” back in Dec. If they wanted to defer, they needed to do it back then. Since Dec they have just been awaiting training.

This isn’t intended to attack the OP, just to clarify.
I can’t imagine why anyone would have wanted to defer back then, btw...

I'm not sure what the contract says about recalls, but I do know the company said in the recall email that defferals weren't being alowed. They said that if we didn't respond by the time class starts, that it would be considered a resignation.

New Hire
 

I was scheduled for an April 3'rd 2020 class date and a few days before got told they canceled for covid. However, It seems as if I should be getting a call somewhere in the next 6 months is what I'm hearing. However, I'll have to redo all of my paperwork and re-interview and repass captains review board and all that stuff. Anyone else hear anything like this?

I would contact recruiting or what ever number you have. There have not been any official dates as they still do not have all the inactive pilots scheduled yet.

I would expect you will have to update all your information, but as long as you don’t have any adverse changes, probably shouldn’t have to do a captains board again. They just want to make sure there are no NEGATIVE changes.

I’m hearing that CTP classes are running again this week for new hires/cadets?

That sounds like you’re making a stamens and yet you have a question mark. Are you try to start a rumor or confirm one?

Truth or Dare🤔💭

I’ve been inside the cadet program since April 2019. They called me last week and gave my an ATPCTP date starting 6/2

Oh snap. New polos and sweet Luggage Works bags will soon be issued to the chosen ones! The cadets are returning!

Congrats on your call and hope to see you on the line soon. I have a buddy who's an RTP candidate still standing by for a call back.