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Old 08-08-2021 | 11:49 AM
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If you’ve strayed that far off the beaten path that you think a PA is a good idea you’ve pretty much just signed your own emergency medical revocation.
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Old 08-08-2021 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Inclined plane
Well to me it appeared that someone was indeed arguing that he shouldn’t lose his medical by saying that people “thinking mental health is some incurable mental disease that makes you untouchable only contributes to the stigma.”


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I'm no psychologist but I agree with everyone else in this thread that this pilot should NOT be flying. Where we disagree is the idea of whether or not he can ever be fit to fly again. That decision should be left to medical professionals that deal with mental health problems, not his fellow coworkers. ​​​​​​​When we as a pilot group make statements such as "Hope he finds a non-aviation career", we're letting our fellow pilots know loud and clear if you're experiencing mental health issues, you do not belong. If you seek help, you run the risk of throwing away your career.

That's what I mean by furthering the stigma.


​​​​​​​This pilot needs help. I don't know if he should get his medical back. I'm going to wish him the best in treating his mental illness and I hope that one day, after the FAA and medical professionals can agree that he can be mentally fit to exercise the privileges of his certificate, that he can join us in the cockpit once again.
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Old 08-08-2021 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ENH017
I'm no psychologist but I agree with everyone else in this thread that this pilot should NOT be flying. Where we disagree is the idea of whether or not he can ever be fit to fly again. That decision should be left to medical professionals that deal with mental health problems, not his fellow coworkers. ​​​​​​​When we as a pilot group make statements such as "Hope he finds a non-aviation career", we're letting our fellow pilots know loud and clear if you're experiencing mental health issues, you do not belong. If you seek help, you run the risk of throwing away your career.

That's what I mean by furthering the stigma.


​​​​​​​This pilot needs help. I don't know if he should get his medical back. I'm going to wish him the best in treating his mental illness and I hope that one day, after the FAA and medical professionals can agree that he can be mentally fit to exercise the privileges of his certificate, that he can join us in the cockpit once again.

I saw/see what you were/are saying. I disagree completely. Some things are just too important to dick around with. Airmen are charged with the burden of deciding when they are fit and unfit to fly. If someone has any inkling that they are unfit due to ANY thoughts of suicide, past OR present, then they are required to report it. The guy airing his dirty laundry on the PA either A) knew he had a history of suicidal thoughts when he applied for his medical, or B) knew he had a history of it when he went for his renewal, and in either case lied about it. I have contempt for those decisions he made. Not cool. That to me is like someone knowingly putting many people directly in harms way. I could not care less about contributing to any stigma. It’s just a deal breaker in my opinion. Unlike you, I am certain that he should not get his medical back. No way I’d want myself or my family to ride on any of this guy’s flights. Good day sir….. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!!!



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Old 08-08-2021 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ENH017
I'm no psychologist but I agree with everyone else in this thread that this pilot should NOT be flying. Where we disagree is the idea of whether or not he can ever be fit to fly again. That decision should be left to medical professionals that deal with mental health problems, not his fellow coworkers. ​​​​​​​When we as a pilot group make statements such as "Hope he finds a non-aviation career", we're letting our fellow pilots know loud and clear if you're experiencing mental health issues, you do not belong. If you seek help, you run the risk of throwing away your career.

That's what I mean by furthering the stigma.


This pilot needs help. I don't know if he should get his medical back. I'm going to wish him the best in treating his mental illness and I hope that one day, after the FAA and medical professionals can agree that he can be mentally fit to exercise the privileges of his certificate, that he can join us in the cockpit once again.
Didn’t the psychologist that Delta used for so many years, to “approve” pilots, off himself?
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Old 08-10-2021 | 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ENH017
People thinking that mental illness is some incurable disease that makes you untouchable also contributes to the stigma..
This is how the FAA treats every mental illness pretty much. It's not stigma, it's policy. Even ADHD is permanently and totally disqualifying and incurable and I think I heard that like 1/20 of school aged boys was diagnosed with that at some point.
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Old 08-10-2021 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
This is how the FAA treats every mental illness pretty much. It's not stigma, it's policy. Even ADHD is permanently and totally disqualifying and incurable and I think I heard that like 1/20 of school aged boys was diagnosed with that at some point.
ADHD is not disqualifying. The medicine used to treat ADHD is what disqualifies.
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Old 08-10-2021 | 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
ADHD is not disqualifying. The medicine used to treat ADHD is what disqualifies.
It seems you're partially right. I was confidently given bad information; however, there are apparently cognitive tests required for diagnosed ADHD even if you don't take medication, so it is disqualifying but issuance is still possible if you jump through hoops.
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Old 08-10-2021 | 04:19 PM
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I mean IDK we have a guy who pretends to be a women at OO. He turned she has just casually body slammed fellow pilots during the “transitional period”. Obviously no “red flags” whatsoever, all good no biggy!! They’re currently holding a first class cert acting as PIC, so…..?

I agree with all, this person needs medical help, but don’t be surprised when’s he’s acting as PIC at Envoy one day.
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Old 08-10-2021 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill
I mean IDK we have a guy who pretends to be a women at OO. He turned she has just casually body slammed fellow pilots during the “transitional period”. Obviously no “red flags” whatsoever, all good no biggy!! They’re currently holding a first class cert acting as PIC, so…..?

I agree with all, this person needs medical help, but don’t be surprised when’s he’s acting as PIC at Envoy one day.
Not sure what you mean by “body slammed”, but if someone had a physical altercation, that is a whole other issue.

While I don’t know this first hand, doing anything more than “identifying” as other than the biological sex you were born with does require a pretty extensive process that goes though the FAA medical people.
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Old 08-10-2021 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
Not sure what you mean by “body slammed”, but if someone had a physical altercation, that is a whole other issue.

While I don’t know this first hand, doing anything more than “identifying” as other than the biological sex you were born with does require a pretty extensive process that goes though the FAA medical people.
I’m not going into the “body slam” incident specifics other than to just think of a scenario where you’re unable to get around someone while on the A/C and you decide to “hockey check” them out of the way.

Mental illness comes in many forms, so do lawsuits, which has kept said person on property.
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