Why isn’t alpa pushing hard for a faster flow to make up for years with no flow! They have renegotiated before. Time to bump up the rate since most will be off the street soon.

 

Uhhh, maybe because with guys already at AA facing FURLOUGHS, it’s a pretty steep hill to climb right now. Before AA starts hiring through the flow, they’d actually have to be hiring...

 

yeah, not a chance. According to thekooj AA wants Envoy to grow. There is no chance they increase flow to make up anything when hiring starts back up. They do not want to decimate their growing Regional network. As a matter of fact, as AA hiring increases expect the percentage of Flow pilots in each class to decrease.

 

Yeah, it would be all air though, given the flow requires AA to be hiring, a position they are not currently in.
Agreed.
We have in the past we have been offered significant gains to the flow numbers during rough times for AA, so it isnt without precedent. Sadly at the time our pilot group thought we were more valuable than we were and AA showed us exactly where we could stick the counter offer. Needless to say if we taken it, we would have all been there by now.

I diverge, the idea that AA may come looking for concessions or renegotiations, or if APA pushes hard against any talk of scope relaxing, the flow formula could be retweaked. We need to remember that formula was designed when AA needed lots of pilots but didn't want to decimate their regional feed. I dont think we are anywhere near that level of hiring so who knows.

 

Right give up more money for a maybe flow.

 

Just to clarify, I wasn't supporting the idea of giving anything up for flow, just pointing out that even with depressed hiring it could be something that comes up with negotiations.

 

Do you all not realize now is the time to negotiate flow while it has little or no value? Once it does they will want more.

 

Of course, hence why I mentioned the time this came up during BK. It’s what has to be given up that becomes the question.

 

Lets do it! Can the union also hire Cujo665 to be the negotiating chair?

 

With the turn of events the past year, I am not willing to give up my seniority to go to AA only to get furloughed, no way Jose!
I think ALPA should make The Voy a sweet place to stay for the majority of us that can call Envoy home until retirement, just my 2 cents.