Mistake on the part of AAG.

Yep, somebody was very short sighted thinking that an Envoy pilot wouldn’t have another job offer if they were going to AA.

The short version is that an agreement in force at a WO can't define any of your working conditions at AA, as they're a different company, with a different CBA, and any agreement at your prior employer has no bearing on your life at AA. Any one who goes to AA, either flow or OTS, from a WO has satisfied the conditions of the bonus agreement and is free to do whatever they want once they're at AA.

We have a few at PSA who have done the exact same thing. Whatever MBA in DFW who thought up this plan had no idea how pilots really think.

Yeah, the whole thing has a bit of 'out of touch' for sure.

That said, I would have thought they would have structured it as a bonus at AA. Not a bonus from WO.

Not possible without buy in from APA, who clearly would not be interested in paying some new hires more than others, and AA isn’t interested in giving APA more bargaining leverage, because every ‘ask’ on the company’s part could involve APA countering with a bigger ask for themselves.

Not today ISIS. You could be a spy for Ric.

Oh shoot, you caught me

Epic fail by RN and his crony chief pilots. Forwarding out an entire email conversation between themselves where they joke about discipline. How does this bush league leadership team stay employed? Does Pedro exist or is he simply a hologram with a permanent Joker smile?

Oh no mgmt jokes at pilot expense? Get ready for some strongly worded fb posts and worthless emails from the union!

Not to worry, there is pizza and cake in both terminals, come by and have a slice.

they put a few folks on blast. Im wondering if thats grounds for legal action. After all lands by bee got his way w it

what happened? I did not get an email and not on FB. Cliff notes?

Yeah. Cliff notes?

all I saw on FB was…. Don’t talk about the email and don’t post it. But it had already been taken down.
Id love some other reason to hate this place. Please?

The first rule of fight club is, don’t talk about fight club.

Really though, given that only some people seemed to have gotten this email, there may be some reluctance to talk about it in places like this to keep from outing themselves.

A management person referred to another management person as "king Rx", when discussing potential discipline for an honest mistake. Funny af.

Thanks guys. But I ran into someone who had them screenshot. ;) good stuff.

I found a screen shot. Honestly, I didn’t see the big deal. They were addressing a problem, and trying to determine if it was wide spread or smaller group. Friendly banter amongst a team, and determining what do do. Nothing ill towards pilots as group or individual. Then suggested COAs that did not include discipline, just personal emails to individuals. All in all my impression was these folks are less sinister than I thought. They’d rather not discipline is what I got, even though they have been threatening it for this for a long time.

throw spears, my thoughts only…

I honestly thought it was funny. I didn’t see much wrong with what they were dealing with. Honestly the CNC towards the few they singled out could help. Well, at least I wouldn’t receive any more hi6s about checking for the right flight number/call sign yadda yadda.

All hail the king

It would be a unique change. Only directly dealing with a few problem individuals instead of sending endless, mostly vague, messages about vigilance and scrutiny.

Put in the right numbers you goobers, and quit throwing the potato chips everywhere.

Charlie Bucket flows this week. Ric and Pedro are dancing a happy dance. They finally flowed their promised one.

Yes, the hypothetical Bucket would flow this week. When you take the Covid pause into consideration, you get a 5 year flow. Exactly as advertised.

Yes, if you ignore the bad things, only good things happen. Got it.

If you make the category small enough, where you’re the only one in it, you’ll be number one!

Liars figure and figures lie!

Make the story fit your narrative.

Hows the junior man situation? people getting home to their kids on time or what

You are not allowed to have kids. Expect scrutiny.

Hypothetical situations don't add time to his AA seniority. How much blue juice did CW force you to drink when you were his lackey? That small group who would have had the five year flow is no longer possible. But Ric will still go to schools and prey on potential victims with stars in their eyes and dreams of the Envoy Heavy Jet in their hearts.

If the ‘voy wanted you to have kids, they would have issued you them

He's joking but the CPO will literally tell you "you chose to have kids"

The sad part is, this is 100% accurate.

That’s simply not true, at least in DFW. Anytime I’ve needed a PO for sick kids or any other home issue they’ve been more than accommodating.

I could see where this might be an issue in other bases though.

Thanks for posting this. It's nice to see someone speak the truth here and what you've just stated is absolutely what happens. You'd never know it reading some of the posts here however.

You've been lucky, or your experience is from year+ ago. Lately they have been denying most PE/PO requests. I'd say easy 75% just gets a blanket denial. Sick kid? Use FMLA. Home issue that does not qualify for BR? Tough cookie. Uncles and aunts aren't real family.

You are absolutely right that the DFW CP does what she can. But when they already projected to be zeroed out they are unlikely to give a PO. The problem is the CONTRACT. You should be able to take a sick day to take care of a kid or spouse or a non emergency medical issue that you have to schedule a month away and not be forced to take FMLA when you have sick time available.

POs for any reason in the best of times are hard not easy to come by. Ask anyone that has tried to SCHEDULE anything and have any certainty that they will have the day off unless they are part of the top 10% seniority that was able to plan something 13 plus months away so you have vacation. You shouldn’t have to live your life this way. Part of it is the job, but a lot off it is the company. Planning instead of whack a mole should be the standard, not the exception. Goes all the way to the top.

https://viewfromthewing.com/american...ing-out-ahead/

Just had a PO a month or two ago plus a few more in the past 12 months. Not sure why you’re trying to paint the DFW CPO in a bad light when the overwhelming majority of DFW guys are thankful for AE and SL.

He doesn't work here and just has an ax to grind. Like a lot of the hot air on this site. Glad your experience is good. I see the reports and the guys here saying it's not happening are just flat out not telling the whole story.

You must be sniffing pixie dust and unicorn farts if you think YOU are telling the whole story.
Dera doesn’t need anyone to defend him or his time at the Voy. Also don’t think he is bitter or has an axe to grind. He was hired at a time when he got the base he wanted and saw a lot of relative seat progression, but he also saw a lot more of the big picture as time went on. He wasn’t disillusioned. He got his time and moved on to bigger and better things. Pretty sure he has no plans to alter his course, but if he chooses to try to get to AA, I’m sure he will get there from the outside long before the flow would get him there.

because I am a management tool

He has no axe to grind. He left on his own terms and was hired on the right side of hiring wave at his new spot. I just disagree with his perspective of the CPO.

ENY isn’t perfect but it’s also not a hell hole. One’s experience will vary depending on a number of factors. If I had to make my decision all over again, I’d go with Envoy still. However, I live in base and never experienced any stagnation until March 2020. By then I was in the seat of my choice with no danger of being displaced. I know people who have had a much worse experience too. Envoy is good for some, terrible for others. Make the decision that is best for you.