It's not really a CPO issue, it's the wicked witch of crew scheduling, JE and the "if I only had a brain" RW, who are the authors of most of the pain that pilots suffer. CPO can not override a day with insufficient coverage, they tried a few years ago and were stomped down. I can give you literally hundreds of examples of denied POs or PEs when staffing was inadequate, including things like funerals for family members who do not qualify for a BR. CPO wants to help, but they do not have the authority to do so. I'm not faulting them.

The main issue is the lack of authority at CPOs, RW and JE are the real problems. AE and especially SL are good people who do what they can. It's nuts how some people treat SL like crap (I've seen pilots hang up the phone on her). She is one of the most well connected people at the whole airline.

I really don't get ex reps leaving the company and coming back here to dispense their breadth of knowledge. You and another one who left some years ago think you are like Gandalf in Lord of the Rings with your wisdom and that everyone at Envoy needs it. It comes across as extremely petty and in addition it's very obvious you are realizing what a bad decision it was to leave.

Go ahead and get started with these "hundreds of examples" because you are first, not telling anywhere near the whole story. Secondly, you totally fabricate other things per whatever grievance you might have with the company. Face it. You left the flow for what, yeah, we know.

Fact. You don't work here and this information you are pushing here is bogus.

Is that like flowing to American and still posting here? Pot meet kettle.

Gandalf is accurate, I have so much time off my beard game is pretty strong these days.

5.5… but who’s counting. The only people that had a shot at the 5 year flow were hired in early 2015. The flow rate has been shrinking ever since. At one time it was 50% of every new hire AA position. That was the flow that cleaned the place out fast, after that it has been a gradually diminishing monthly flow, while AA has been steadily increasing classes and class sizes.

the only reason you may stay under a 7 year flow is because United is hiring more of your pilots than AA is.

Theyll both be at legacies long before they’d have ever flowed. It’s you that are out of touch with industry hiring. Be one of several thousand RJ drivers applying at a legacy, or be a former RJ driver currently flying heavy metal globally applying at the legacy. Guess who gets called first…..
here ends the free lesson.

It is a fact that Dera no longer works at Envoy, but his knowledge of the contract is exceeded by few, if any. Most of the pilots at Envoy DO need, and have benefited from, his knowledge.

YOU certainly have added NOTHING that is beneficial to any pilot, current, past or future. You are a management shill that hides behind a screen name. Almost everyone knows who Dera is and he has done nothing he needs to hide from.

So, apparently the overwhelming majority of Envoy pilots, by about 2 to 1, feel pretty much what I said about being taken care of.

Or you going to just talk about that small minority that think things are OK-ish?

And while the company does seem to at least acknowledge there is a dumpster fire, they are happy to just let it burn instead of doing anything to even contain it, let alone put it out.

When you dont know what to do, you do nothing.

I can give you far more stories of denials for important life events than approvals, heck you might even be the one who denied someone a PO to attend an ultrasound with their wife or were you to busy investigating a 1 minute delay for the king CW

The collapse accelerates. See you guys on one of our hundreds of 11 day off lines (9 days off after JMs and denied return days).

Even lateral moves to regionals that are dying slower are starting to make sense if QOL is a priority lmao

March is a 30 day bid month. That tends to lower average days off but across the board average credit is way up for the month as well.

How many days was January and February?

how do you feel about people who intentionally paint a false picture of sunshine and roses and personally attack anyone who says differently? Does that paint envoy in a good light?

December to April all are 30 day bid months (leap year February ends up with 31). Why they make November 31 days and December 30 just goes to show that Envoy likes forcing square pegs into round holes.

Based on union numbers I’ve seen, March is definitely lower average days off. The slightly higher average credit doesn’t completely make up for that when compared to January. I’m thinking they are trying to cram flying into overall fewer lines to try and bump up the reserve count a few more bodies, but that’s just a guess.

In my earlier post I said March credit was “way” up. It IS up, but only slightly. After looking at the numbers a little closer “way” up isn’t really the case.

The beatings will continue until morale improves…

My point was that I've heard it said by people "it's a 30 day bid month" as though it's abnormal and thus explains whatever problem someone is complaining about. Heard it from pilots, from company, from union. But just more than half of our months are 30 day bid months. It's the norm, not the aberration.

I think it works out to seven 30 day months and five 31 day months (except leap year with six and six) but it does tend to affect the averages.
Specifically, if the average is four hours per day, a thirty one day month will average 4 extra hours or one extra day off.

I get that it effects the averages. Just pointing out 30 day months are more normal than not. It's not an aberration. If anything, the 31 day months are the non-normal.

Since you don't work here anymore, how do you feel about that flow moving right along now? Could have been at AA in short order but instead you decided you knew better. I'll ask the guy that was one number junior to you to wave to you from his AA cockpit.

“Siri, remind me in ten years to ask some guy to wave”

you can’t answer a question with a question. It’s intellectually dishonest and makes you look like you’re avoiding the question…. You don’t want to be labeled a troll right? (Rhetorical question. Everyone knows what you are doing)

FYI…my flow date (in print….not a typo) was 2029…..


try again buttercup. Read the questions, sound out the big words and formulate a coherent response. Maybe remind me how dumb I was to leave that awesome commute to six days of reserve sitting eight hour a day airport standby. Something along those lines will definitely put me in my place.

I seriously hope you never see the inside of a flight deck again. You are so incredibly delusional to believe what you are typing that your decisions can’t be considered rational and are a threat to safety if you were to fly.

Check the numbers. Those going to AA, including the flow, is a drop in the bucket of those leaving Envoy. People are bailing because there are so many better opportunities out there.

Yes its a problem at the wo's but the bigger problem is new hires at aa leaving to go elsewhere.

Lines for March are so bad, the most jr reserve guy has a shot at holding a hard line.

Eh, seriously doubt it. With the small number of pilots on reserve, even the most senior person is likely to get called. Unless there just happens to be a day off that fits a reserve line better than a hard line, those senior guys aren’t going to set themselves up for the abuse.

That right there tells you all you need to know if some are still considering flow a great deal. A backup to the least attractive legacy job at best.
United is hiring and cleaning AA’s RJ feed pilots out faster than any flow….

The lengths you go to in order to "hide" your jealousy from anyone at AA is mind blowing. "Hide" in quotes because your posts always have an undercurrent of vitriol toward AA and everybody knows it's because you blew it and are having to fly at some charter.

The amount of guys leaving AA is miniscule. MINISCULE. A trickle over the last year. Ever thought maybe somebody lives in Atlanta and decided it was worth it not to commute? Those are the ONLY guys leaving AA. You guys post here and make it sound like it's hundreds. Nope. Not even close.

So you do admit that aa pilots are leaving and going elsewhere. Miniscule as you say is a major problem at aa. AA has no answer to rectify that. AA did try to lock wo pilots to 3 years with the retention bonus but from what I know only 4 in 10 accepted. That leaves 60 percent of those pilots going elsewhere as their aa brethren.

You love to make assumptions. Best thing that ever happened was getting out of AA/AMR/AAG. I love what I do, who we fly for, and actually have a management that supports us rather than harasses, ignores, mistreats their pilots like Envoy is famous for. Even with all the bending over the pilot shortage has forced you to do (which we told you would happen) you still have the industry reputation for abusing your best resource. You people are idiots, and you more than most. Once guys get out they realize how bad that place really was. every pilots job upon completing IOE should be taking the first path out and up. You just don’t like that there are those of us who give a sh#$T about other pilots and want them to know life outside AAG is far superior than what they’re being subjected to. No wonder you need a college pipeline, anybody with industry experience would never choose Envoy. You just want to use them as cheaply as possible to feather your own nest.

guys leaving AA should be zero…. Not a trickle.
They aren’t leaving Delta or United to go to AA. AA has turned into a big ULCC and while QOL is superior than the regionals, it’s inferior to every other legacy. That you haven’t realized that yet is a testament to your level of indoctrination.

Cujo, tell us how you REALLY feel…

though I just did….

I am laughing out loud. You took the bait, my friend.😉

I aim to please.... glad you're smiling.

Now summons Dacuj. I miss his silly shenanigans!

Nothing different
 

Flowed 2 years ago and just visited APC for the first time. How can the same plp be here posting that haven't worked at Envoy for years. So sad. Reminds me of some old creepy guy hanging around his old high school.

Alright alright alrighttttt

If I have 2 sequences over 6 days and call out sick, is that 2 separate sick calls or 1 sick call for 6 days?

if you’re dfw based it’s 1, if you’re ord based it’s 6 and you should talk to your rep but my advice to you would be to quietly go back to work and not attempt to “clear it” with the CPO.

yes, really

Exactly. They did it before.
if you’re a union officer they don’t like it’s a separate event on each day….. here we are a few years later and they’re doing it to line pilots too it seems.

It has more to do with the guy in the office up there now. I don’t know for sure that he’s evil but it seems like it.