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dera 04-19-2022 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Propeller (Post 3408933)
So how is each airlines fd culture compare? My only personal experiences are from the AA jump and its mostly been pretty alright. Hows Delta and United?

They're all the same. Bunch of weirdos, bunch of cool people, bunch of hardcore MIL guys, bunch of former regional dudes and dudettes.

NoValueAviator 04-19-2022 08:01 PM

United > AA > delta imo but everyone's experience is different and obviously this is a generalization/stereotype and there's tons of exceptions.

There are a lot of tools working at Delta.

Propeller 04-19-2022 08:43 PM

Good to know. I figure all this turnover will change all 3 in the long run as well. Im still going to whoever actualy wants to interview/ offer the CJO.

mej3811 04-19-2022 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3408950)
United > AA > delta imo but everyone's experience is different and obviously this is a generalization/stereotype and there's tons of exceptions.

There are a lot of tools working at Delta.


https://youtu.be/kQFeZRNNL6U

APCbot 04-20-2022 04:06 AM

I don't see how this is even a question, go to Delta immediately.

But seriously 04-20-2022 04:29 AM

Without even arguing DAL or AA…
Six months is huge. Go to DAL.

A LOT can happen in 6 months:
Downturn, bankruptcy, pauses in hiring due to training bottlenecks, more Boeing technical issues with deliveries or groundings, shenanigans from ENY or AAG regarding “interpretations” of the flow language, ENY divestiture, WO merger, temporary loss of medical, or a million other things.

None of those are likely, but none are impossible either. Take the bird in the hand.

chrisreedrules 04-20-2022 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3409048)
Without even arguing DAL or AA…
Six months is huge. Go to DAL.

A LOT can happen in 6 months:
Downturn, bankruptcy, pauses in hiring due to training bottlenecks, more Boeing technical issues with deliveries or groundings, shenanigans from ENY or AAG regarding “interpretations” of the flow language, ENY divestiture, WO merger, temporary loss of medical, or a million other things.

None of those are likely, but none are impossible either. Take the bird in the hand.

This 100%. Ask the guys who started class the week of September 11th, 2001. Leave and don’t look back. We work in a volatile industry during what has been one of the most historically volatile times in our recent history. Leave and don’t look back.

American is in for a rough few years at best. They’re poised to lose a ton of market share as their regional feed rapidly collapses (regionals make up roughly 40% of their daily departures in their most profitable hubs) and they have no plan to mitigate that shrinking. United and Delta have both enacted/articulated plans to mitigate this threat to their revenue. American’s business model seems confused, it’s leadership adrift in an endless sea of complex problems, and it is the least profitable of any of the legacies during good times. It will continue to bleed cash and likely face a restructuring at some point.

Excargodog 04-20-2022 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3409076)
This 100%. Ask the guys who started class the week of September 11th, 2001. Leave and don’t look back. We work in a volatile industry during what has been one of the most historically volatile times in our recent history. Leave and don’t look back.

American is in for a rough few years at best. They’re poised to lose a ton of market share as their regional feed rapidly collapses (regionals make up roughly 40% of their daily departures in their most profitable hubs) and they have no plan to mitigate that shrinking. United and Delta have both enacted/articulated plans to mitigate this threat to their revenue. American’s business model seems confused, it’s leadership adrift in an endless sea of complex problems, and it is the least profitable of any of the legacies during good times. It will continue to bleed cash and likely face a restructuring at some point.

American Airlines wasn’t consistently making money BEFORE COVID. Now, with a debt load of $40+ Billion, Rising interest rates, and failing regionals, they are unlikely to do even that good. Go with Delta.

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Propeller 04-20-2022 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by mej3811 (Post 3408994)

What a tool bag. Poor FO

mej3811 04-20-2022 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by Propeller (Post 3409155)
What a tool bag. Poor FO

Apparently the FO is the one who recorded it. But this video just goes to show the god complex some of the old delta’s have (had). I’d like to think most of them have retired by now


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