I came from Envoy years ago. There are people that are older that may be on the fence to where it’s worth it to go over to AA. Christmas off, summer vacation,commuting for a while. The difference could be hundreds of pilots decide to stay envoy. I’ve been at AA 7 years and Captain now but still a long way from things like weekends. Sure I could have stayed FO but even that was just becoming a thing for me.

Absolutely agree. ULCC will get there new contacts, and for most people gtfo will still be the mindset at the regionals. I think we’ll see hesitation from some though. Should just make it easier for those who want to leave to get hired (less competition) and put pressure on ULCC to up their contracts

Stay or go ultimately depends on everyone’s individual situation. As a 5+ yr check airman with a year or more to flow you’d be insane to go almost anywhere, possibly including mainline. 400k doing guarantee is not typical even for boomer widebody captains.

Travel benefits are the same, except being able to reserve a JS. A bunch of the same overnights. Honestly, if they made the 20yr pay and the 50% premium a permanent thing, you’d have to be at AA for I believe 5-6 years before you get above the $213/hr. I bet a lot of older guys would choose to stay and become lca. Especially if they only had/wanted to fly another ten years. Yeah you’d make more money at AA in the long run, but you’d have to work weekends, holidays etc. being senior does have some benefits. Also get us that 15% 401k.

What if I told you it wasn't really a pay raise, but just an adjustment to keep up with inflation?

Then good on you guys either way, because everyone else, by your logic, has taken a massive pay cut over the past year.

He's part of the "everyone else".

“Near CA” OO FO here. may I ask:
1. New hire wait for health insurance?
2. Training pay?
3. Likelihood getting E-175 ORD? As CA.

Thanks. Congrats on the pay package…. It makes sense for me to upgrade Envoy vs OO. Or go the NK/F9 route.

A lot of the banker bux we're supposed to get are based on 5+ years on property for the 20 yr. pay which wouldn't be available to a direct entry captain. I expect OO will match the pay (really just a 10% raise over Endeavor basically, once you pare away all the special carve outs and bonuses that only some pilots can take advantage of) in their own time, they've never been one to allow a big win at a unionized carrier to go unanswered for long.

Covid delayed it two years, but we told them back in 2013-2016 that this day was on the horizon.

next comes mergers & consolidations

then bankruptcies and buyouts to grab not just equipment and routes, but staffing.