Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Envoy Airlines (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/)
-   -   New Pay Rates and Flow to AA (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/138007-new-pay-rates-flow-aa.html)

NoValueAviator 06-14-2022 10:26 AM

Meanwhile at APA:

​​​​​​

It doesn't matter if regional pilots make more than us, as long as the way is clear for OTS hires. We, not the company, are responsible for staffing the airline

amcnd 06-14-2022 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by R0GER BALL (Post 3440663)
“Near CA” OO FO here. may I ask:
1. New hire wait for health insurance?
2. Training pay?
3. Likelihood getting E-175 ORD? As CA.

Thanks. Congrats on the pay package…. It makes sense for me to upgrade Envoy vs OO. Or go the NK/F9 route.

there is no reason a OO captain under 5 years shouldn't be looking at Envoy, as a direct entry CA.!! If there doing that thing.. double the pay, and flow back up..

CFIsoonToBeFO 06-14-2022 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by amcnd (Post 3440773)
there is no reason a OO captain under 5 years shouldn't be looking at Envoy, as a direct entry CA.!! If there doing that thing.. double the pay, and flow back up..

AA W/O’s would be nuts to hire any OO, YX, or Mesa pilots. That is just robbing pilots from current “Eagle” airplanes. These folks are going to come from Endeavor & Aviate Regionals

planejoe 06-14-2022 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3440769)
Meanwhile at APA:

It doesn't matter if regional pilots make more than us, as long as the way is clear for OTS hires. We, not the company, are responsible for staffing the airline

​​​​​​


Keep their own regional lift going and hire from outside to deplete other carriers' lift. Win - Win for AA.

This is probably the only industry I can think of where the employees who represent the brand day to day are not the clear favorite to be promoted. Just business I guess but very odd.

They will literally do anything to not issue a seniority number which would solve the problem over night.

pitchattitude 06-14-2022 02:41 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3440793)
Keep their own regional lift going and hire from outside to deplete other carriers' lift. Win - Win for AA.

This is probably the only industry I can think of where the employees who represent the brand day to day are not the clear favorite to be promoted. Just business I guess but very odd.

They will literally do anything to not issue a seniority number which would solve the problem over night.

First off there is no way the majors’ unions would go for that and that kind of deal would be a contract changer that would be no going back from.

This is a relatively short term problem. In t8 months or so things will look much different. AA recognizes the need to hang on to the regional model but the temporary nature of much of this increase is because they don’t want to destroy the model and do anything permanent to change it.

In Exile 06-14-2022 02:49 PM

New Bonuses
 
What are the conditions for the new bonuses? Time commitment wise? Concurrent or Consecutive?

pitchattitude 06-14-2022 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by In Exile (Post 3440965)
What are the conditions for the new bonuses? Time commitment wise? Concurrent or Consecutive?

Specifically what? There are bonuses for new hires and bonuses for captains. Do you have the qualifying time to become captain? Right now Envoy still isn’t at the point they are hiring DECs. I believe all the bonuses incur a 24 month commitment.

LivinMyBestLife 06-15-2022 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by CFIsoonToBeFO (Post 3440782)
AA W/O’s would be nuts to hire any OO, YX, or Mesa pilots. That is just robbing pilots from current “Eagle” airplanes. These folks are going to come from Endeavor & Aviate Regionals

It would be beneficial to the AA network if the WO poached pilots from oo yx or Mesa. These regional pilots operate Eagle and DAL/UA regional planes. To take a pilot flying 30-50% for Eagle to 100% would not be “nuts”.

DocMcFly 06-15-2022 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by LivinMyBestLife (Post 3441230)
It would be beneficial to the AA network if the WO poached pilots from oo yx or Mesa. These regional pilots operate Eagle and DAL/UA regional planes. To take a pilot flying 30-50% for Eagle to 100% would not be “nuts”.

Not saying you’re wrong but YX is jointly owned by American, Delta, and United. They are in a strange situation. If American grenades YX they are actually hurting themselves.

buddies8 06-15-2022 03:33 PM

Or it screws delta and United more.
no one matters to aag, envoy is the prime example so yx, who cares. It's doggy eat doggy time.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:41 PM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands