New Pay Rates and Flow to AA
 

Question from an AA pilot. So the new pay rates look like a desperate attempt by management to slow the exodus of Envoy pilots to UAL/DAL/FedEx/etc. I'm curious if these new pay rates change your mind about bailing from the AA system? Are you more motivated to stay put and wait for the flow now? I know if I was in the Eagle system I would just use this as an opportunity to save more money before heading off to United or Fedex. But I'm curious what the Envoy pilot group thinks? Thanks.

This is an attempt to keep pilots from going to Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, etc. I don't think they're expecting anyone to turn down any of the majors or legacies. They even specifically state who they're targeting with these new rates in their email.....

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Including all bonuses, a new hire pilot should expect to make 31% more than pilots at Endeavor and 10% more than pilots at leading ULCCs over the first five years.
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New Pay Rate
 

After talking this over with an Envoy buddy we agreed that the new pay rates will keep us from playing leapfrog with the LCC and ULCCs. Instead of jumping to Frontier, Spirit, etc for the type rating. I’d rather build the PIC time at Envoy. However I’m definitely not taking any bonus that will lock me into Envoy

Re.ULCC, not true. You will make more by bailing out, especially if you count the 401K and compound interest on it.

Depends on how long you plan on staying. If you’re just getting a type and then bailing after 0-3 years then it’s not worth it to go to ULCC. Long term, ULCC is still a much better bet. Upgrades are getting very long at NK and about to get worse with a merger, that’s something to consider as well.

You also need to be at NK for 6 years to be fully vested in the 15% 401k contribution.

I have my applications out everywhere. this changes nothing.

it does for newhires, it shouldnt for captains with some PIC time.

It will for some. I hope, because
this will put pressure on ULCC’s. Especially if others follow suit. Glad to see it. I made $19/hr when I started at Eagle in 2007. Times have changed for the better

maybe for some, but with close to 40 years to go I have to play the long game. regionals have always been a get in and gtfo situation - throwing money at it doesn't change that. the ulcc's will get their new contracts eventually.