FlyDirectBambo

Any recently-hired DEC's look at/read closely the DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAIN (DEC) +Type BONUS REPAYMENT AGREEMENT?

It holds us accountable for 36 months, yet only guarantees a small portion of the DEC Bonus. In my case, it's $37,500.
There's another roughly $125,000 paid out at the end of year 1,2, and 3 that is not addressed and therefore, not guaranteed.

The agreement specifically says, "NOTHING THAT YOU READ ON THE INTERNET (OR ANYWHERE ELSE) OR ARE TOLD BY OTHER PILOTS (OR ANYONE ELSE) CHANGES THE TERMS OF THIS AGREEMENT."
That statement tells me I can disregard everything that was promised in the new hire recruitment meeting as well as what is published on the "Pilot Wage Calculator" page.

Another statement that's concerning, states that the pilot acknowledges and agrees, "any and all additional compensation, including but not limited to bonuses for retention and performance are not guaranteed and will be paid out subject to the terms and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between Envoy and the Union or at Envoy’s sole discretion."

Anyone on property received the additional Captain Bonuses yet?

Anyone aware of whether the CBA addresses the current Captain bonus structure?

Thanks

FliesInSoup

"any and all additional compensation, including but not limited to bonuses for retention and performance are not guaranteed and will be paid out subject to the terms and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between Envoy and the Union or at Envoy’s sole discretion."

Actual meaning highlighted for those legally challenged.

pitchattitude

Yes. The BIG money is the retention bonus. Most DECs will never see this as it is either payable when leaving for AA or has some pretty big hooks if you take it with the intention of being an Envoy “lifer”.

Did you really expect a big chunk of money and then be able to keep it if you left? That’s the whole point of throwing that money out there, to KEEP you in indentured servitude.

FlyDirectBambo

Perhaps I wasn't clear. The point is that the agreement the company is asking DEC's to sign is only guaranteeing the initial $37,500 (less without the type rating bonus). Yet, in the literature, on the website, and at the initial meeting, they are touting a figure of $162,500 in bonuses over three years. My concern is that should the company choose to suspend those other bonuses that are not outlined in this agreement, we DEC's will have no recourse.

And just to correct your statement above, the majority of the bonus is paid out at the end of IOE ($32,500) at one year anniversary ($50,000). Subsequent bonuses are $40K each at the end of years two and three. Only $25K is promised at the time of flow. And to answer your rhetorical question, no I don't expect to keep a big chunk of money if I leave early and yes, I understand the point of the three year contract.

Let me restate my question in the original post, anyone aware of whether the CBA addresses the current Captain bonus structure? I assume there is an LOA regarding this that outlines the specifics.

BigZ

There's no DEC bonus LOA, there's a retention bonus LOA that your DEC stuff most likely ties into.
retention bonus loa covers 150k of your bonuses.
you won't get the 40k's paid at the end of year 2/3, you accrue them, and you'll receive them on your last paycheck (together with the 25k buh-bye) when flowing/hired at AA. Not DAL/UAL/NK/JB - AA.
Or arrive at your flow date and elect not to flow.
because that 150k is there to retain you.

pitchattitude

I’m pretty sure that NONE of the language for ANY hiring bonus is in any LOA. The only thing I remember seeing in an LOA about hiring was about the company increasing FO pay to higher steps if they thought it was necessary to remain competitive. Everything about HIRING bonuses is not in CBA LOAs because those are not made with the union. Those are outside the CBA because they don’t benefit union members. Pretty much every union operates on the principle that if the CBA is good enough, hiring bonuses aren’t required. If you want to attract and RETAIN quality employees, provide an attractive CBA.

The options for those who become captains after the date of the LOA, so new hires, which DECs are, to take the retention payouts early all come with an additional commitment of three years at each payment.

EMBCRJPilot

I hope I’m not getting regionaled already. I was hired as an FO with 950+ and Captain qualified.
I was told by recruiting I’d be getting:
15,000 121 sign on
7500 type
10000 FO sign on
30000 CA sign on bonus (provided I get the CA slot first day of class
All after OE. Not sure about the 5000/10000 retention bonus but I’m pretty sure I was told I’d get that too.

highfarfast

You’re mixing up “sign on bonus” and “retention bonus” details. Regardless, they all come with strings attached. You’re not gonna get to keep it if you just stay long enough to complete OE and head off to Southwest of wherever.

EMBCRJPilot

I’m not trying to head off anywhere. I’m hoping the pay rested stay or I flow, or we all get absorbed. I’m just saying that when I went ro oreientation, the recruiter showed me the chart with the bonuses, the same one on the website. He said I’m getting what I mentioned above ATC the end of OE.
just in sign on bonuses I should be getting 15K for 121 sign on bonus, 7K for type rating bonus, 10K for FO sign on bonus, and 30K for Captain sign on bonus, all payable at the end of OE. That’s 62K in bonuses at the end of OE by my math.
I’m not trying to get a bonus and then split. But I’m also not going to have someone lie to me and say I’m getting 60-8oK at the end of OE, only to find out day 1 you get 15k initially, and the rest after year 5

pitchattitude

Not sure on what all the individual sign on amounts are, but pretty sure the $30K CAPTAIN bonus is not paid until completion of captain IOE. Again, all the sign on bonuses are outside the CBA, but the $30K is part of the CBA LOA, as are all the retention bonuses so not included in your initial contract or paid at the beginning.