DEC - Envoy, Piedmont or PSA?
03-02-2023 | 06:24 PM
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I hope anyone considering a DEC position expects regional treatment. You are likely to be on reserve a long time and will have better quality of life if you live in base.
Long term you will have better quality of life if you aim for a LLC or legacy airline, especially if you are more than five years away from retirement.
Short term you will have to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is most important to you. PSA’s training department has a bad reputation. Piedmont has a reputation as a workhorse company; lots of short legs for low credit months and lower block time. I did notice Piedmont is advertising that they will put you on long call reserve after 250 hours as DEC now. Envoy’s training department has a good reputation, but their management does not. Compare bases and aircraft and choose one, but have a realistic idea of what you are getting into.
Long term you will have better quality of life if you aim for a LLC or legacy airline, especially if you are more than five years away from retirement.
Short term you will have to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is most important to you. PSA’s training department has a bad reputation. Piedmont has a reputation as a workhorse company; lots of short legs for low credit months and lower block time. I did notice Piedmont is advertising that they will put you on long call reserve after 250 hours as DEC now. Envoy’s training department has a good reputation, but their management does not. Compare bases and aircraft and choose one, but have a realistic idea of what you are getting into.
03-03-2023 | 09:41 AM
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Far and away go to Envoy. Piedmont and PSA were original US Airways wholly owneds and have never been run to the level of Envoy. Envoy was always wholly owned by American and their infrastructure, training, aircraft type and quality of personnel are all far superior to the other two. PSA and Piedmont have made strides but much of their old management is still in place and they don't have the capacity or infrastructure that Envoy does.
03-03-2023 | 10:44 AM
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Far and away go to Envoy. Piedmont and PSA were original US Airways wholly owneds and have never been run to the level of Envoy. Envoy was always wholly owned by American and their infrastructure, training, aircraft type and quality of personnel are all far superior to the other two. PSA and Piedmont have made strides but much of their old management is still in place and they don't have the capacity or infrastructure that Envoy does.
however, in this case, he’s right.
Employee relations is better at the other two though. Envoy is still run by a lot of the old AMR crack the whip style managers.
03-04-2023 | 11:08 AM
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It seems 1. Envoy 2. Piedmont and 3. PSA
I hope anyone considering a DEC position expects regional treatment. You are likely to be on reserve a long time and will have better quality of life if you live in base.
Long term you will have better quality of life if you aim for a LLC or legacy airline, especially if you are more than five years away from retirement.
Short term you will have to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is most important to you. PSA’s training department has a bad reputation. Piedmont has a reputation as a workhorse company; lots of short legs for low credit months and lower block time. I did notice Piedmont is advertising that they will put you on long call reserve after 250 hours as DEC now. Envoy’s training department has a good reputation, but their management does not. Compare bases and aircraft and choose one, but have a realistic idea of what you are getting into.
Long term you will have better quality of life if you aim for a LLC or legacy airline, especially if you are more than five years away from retirement.
Short term you will have to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is most important to you. PSA’s training department has a bad reputation. Piedmont has a reputation as a workhorse company; lots of short legs for low credit months and lower block time. I did notice Piedmont is advertising that they will put you on long call reserve after 250 hours as DEC now. Envoy’s training department has a good reputation, but their management does not. Compare bases and aircraft and choose one, but have a realistic idea of what you are getting into.
03-04-2023 | 11:11 AM
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Thanks guy's seems, Envoy/Piedmont & PSA 3:rd
Far and away go to Envoy. Piedmont and PSA were original US Airways wholly owneds and have never been run to the level of Envoy. Envoy was always wholly owned by American and their infrastructure, training, aircraft type and quality of personnel are all far superior to the other two. PSA and Piedmont have made strides but much of their old management is still in place and they don't have the capacity or infrastructure that Envoy does.
He seems to forget that the main problem at Envoy is the management.
A "CEO" who doesn't really even speak English and during the whole pandemic sent one comm that was a copy paste from Doug Parker. VP of flight ops who furloughed a few hundred pilots for fun, then called these furloughed pilots and said it was the remaining pilots who wanted them furloughed. Director of crew scheduling who proudly says the contract doesn't apply if it may cause a delay, and so on and so on.
I'd take Piedmonts management all day long over Envoy.
A "CEO" who doesn't really even speak English and during the whole pandemic sent one comm that was a copy paste from Doug Parker. VP of flight ops who furloughed a few hundred pilots for fun, then called these furloughed pilots and said it was the remaining pilots who wanted them furloughed. Director of crew scheduling who proudly says the contract doesn't apply if it may cause a delay, and so on and so on.
I'd take Piedmonts management all day long over Envoy.
I hope anyone considering a DEC position expects regional treatment. You are likely to be on reserve a long time and will have better quality of life if you live in base.
Long term you will have better quality of life if you aim for a LLC or legacy airline, especially if you are more than five years away from retirement.
Short term you will have to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is most important to you. PSA’s training department has a bad reputation. Piedmont has a reputation as a workhorse company; lots of short legs for low credit months and lower block time. I did notice Piedmont is advertising that they will put you on long call reserve after 250 hours as DEC now. Envoy’s training department has a good reputation, but their management does not. Compare bases and aircraft and choose one, but have a realistic idea of what you are getting into.
Long term you will have better quality of life if you aim for a LLC or legacy airline, especially if you are more than five years away from retirement.
Short term you will have to weigh the pros and cons and decide what is most important to you. PSA’s training department has a bad reputation. Piedmont has a reputation as a workhorse company; lots of short legs for low credit months and lower block time. I did notice Piedmont is advertising that they will put you on long call reserve after 250 hours as DEC now. Envoy’s training department has a good reputation, but their management does not. Compare bases and aircraft and choose one, but have a realistic idea of what you are getting into.
03-04-2023 | 03:07 PM
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Thanks that seems like a reasonable reply I can use for a decision. I am once again reminded that there is a price to pay everywhere, there is no way around it and there is ALWAYS "something" at each air carrier one has to put up with. It seems 1. Envoy 2. Piedmont and 3. PSA is a possible ranking.
I believe Piedmont and PSA are still requiring interviews. If you want Envoy and qualify, you won’t need to interview with the other companies.
03-04-2023 | 03:45 PM
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All three suck but Piedmont is the most mismanaged. I’d probably recommend Envoy. Take the first class date and then go to Delta or United.
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