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APCcommenter 08-20-2023 01:29 PM

Off topic but related to jumping ship. Does anyone know how the bonus payback structure works? Are all bonuses pro rated? And is the payback amount the pre tax amount or what we received? Thanks

CaseTractor 08-21-2023 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by APCcommenter (Post 3685556)
Off topic but related to jumping ship. Does anyone know how the bonus payback structure works? Are all bonuses pro rated? And is the payback amount the pre tax amount or what we received? Thanks


The CA upgrade bonus was not pro rated, paid back the full amount. Thankfully, they only wanted what was received after takes, not the full bonus amount, which made it way more simple.

It was a straightforward process and the accounts receivable team was professional and courteous.

aviatorict 10-09-2023 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by APCcommenter (Post 3685556)
Off topic but related to jumping ship. Does anyone know how the bonus payback structure works? Are all bonuses pro rated? And is the payback amount the pre tax amount or what we received? Thanks

Also in regards to this, any intel as to whether it is a negative mark if you want to leave for somewhere else but apply to AA later?

SlideCancel 10-15-2023 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by aviatorict (Post 3708488)
Also in regards to this, any intel as to whether it is a negative mark if you want to leave for somewhere else but apply to AA later?

If anything, you have a better chance of AA calling you AFTER you leave a WO. Leave for any LCC/ ACMI. This is your fastest way there.

Brickfire 10-15-2023 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by aviatorict (Post 3708488)
Also in regards to this, any intel as to whether it is a negative mark if you want to leave for somewhere else but apply to AA later?

Not street hiring a WO pilot is of immediate benefit to AA. (setting aside potentially losing them to another airline).

Not hiring a former WO pilot hurst them immediately, helps a competitor immediately and only has potential benefits down the line if WO pilots become afraid to leave ... this assuming the WO even exists in a year.

ClappedOut145 10-17-2023 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by aviatorict (Post 3708488)
Also in regards to this, any intel as to whether it is a negative mark if you want to leave for somewhere else but apply to AA later?

Nope, I left for another carrier and still got an AA offer a year later. I said nope. Went to UA and I absolutely love it here. As long as you leave on good terms AA won’t care.

ceelo 10-18-2023 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB (Post 3683659)
Well even at the Ivy League schools if you're Asian you need a 1600 SAT score and a +4.0GPA. Certain other demographics..... not so much.
So you're almost right, it is kinda like ivy league schools. In more ways than one.

Burn'em dude. Get your SWA type rating and go to AA.

A few years ago you needed a resume/application consulting company that costs hundreds.
Then you needed total time, TPIC, Jet time only, no turboprop. And it better be glass. Preferably underwing mounted engines.
You flew heavies international? Were you the captain? Was it military? Sorry not good enough.
Get a 737 type rating. Because why not.
Then you needed to wait in line at bread line... I mean job fairs. Which cost several hundred dollars just to get in the door. Not including airfare, hotels, or rental cars, and calling in sick to go.
Then it you needed to be a check airman, and IOE, and sim instructor.
And be a veteran, but only specific veterans got preference. Sorry mechanics and infantry not you.
And volunteer service building gay houses with green peace. To make you a more rounded person to sit in the cockpit for 4 days.
You need a degree.
And you better be gay.
Or a woman. Or black. LGBTQ-ABCDEFU....
Then it was interview prep that costs thousands. But of course be yourself at the interview, because they only want you to be you. But don't do anything weird.

F#ck'em dude. They did this to themselves. Do what's good for you. And if that means you burn their regionals, and SW for a type rating, that's just the game. Good luck.

typical old bitter white guy blaming everything, other than himself for not getting into the airline he wants. it's honestly pathetic how fast some of you resort to racism and misogyny the second things get a little hard.

oh, and affirmative action is over btw.

LizzyBorden 10-18-2023 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by ceelo (Post 3711960)
typical old bitter white guy blaming everything, other than himself for not getting into the airline he wants. it's honestly pathetic how fast some of you resort to racism and misogyny the second things get a little hard.

oh, and affirmative action is over btw.

Pot meet kettle.

APCHCLIMB 10-18-2023 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by ceelo (Post 3711960)
typical old bitter white guy blaming everything, other than himself for not getting into the airline he wants. it's honestly pathetic how fast some of you resort to racism and misogyny the second things get a little hard.

oh, and affirmative action is over btw.

Dont talk about things when you have no idea what you’re talking about, Whistle Nuts. Getting hired in this industry 10+ years ago was a very different animal.

And I’m white. Not old. Not young. Go F yourself.

aviatorict 10-22-2023 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3711732)
Nope, I left for another carrier and still got an AA offer a year later. I said nope. Went to UA and I absolutely love it here. As long as you leave on good terms AA won’t care.

even if you broke a contract such as cadet bonus agreement? (But repaid?)


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