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Originally Posted by dera (Post 3756471)

And if you decide AA is for you, now that you are out of their WO, they will call you within 15 minutes after submitting your app.

I decided I like the atmosphere over here. The people seem happier and the total compensation for me is roughly equal. My QoL options (trip trade/give away) seems way better here as well (based on conversations with friends a few years at AA).

I'm also much more confident in SWA's ability to survive a bad downturn versus AAG's balance sheet.
(I don't wish a furlough on any of them. I have friends at most all the US 121s.)

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Originally Posted by TXMike (Post 3757080)

I disagree for two reasons:
1) That "staple on" is a pipe dream. I'm happy to place a bet with you on that point.
2) If it did happen, I'd be happy for my old classmates and likely still beat their earnings across MY timeline (I only have 9 years left). The difference between AA and SWA on earnings across that timeframe isn't much different and my QoL is a LOT better.

A lot of people like to focus exclusively on "hourly rate".. That is VERY short sighted. There is a lot more to this life/career than $ per hour. This new contract (we just passed today) evens the NB playing field so $s are equal. Our soft money (ability to earn extra) and QoL flexibility is superior. I can work my line and get 17-19 days off and just get min guarantee.. our do a little pick up (living in base rocks) and do much better. And now we are getting extra payments if the company jacks our schedule around (line change override), etc. And our NEC (non-elective contributions to 401k) as aligned with the legacies.

I feel pretty confident in my move.

You absolutely made the right move and are in a company with a culture that isn't toxic. Good on you for not waiting to flow and recognizing that AA uses the WO carriers as indentured servants.

So if I understand this thread correctly if you are at Envoy and just apply normally to AA they will not select you to interview and force you to wait on the Envoy/AA flow which will take years and years.

I live in Chicago so doing some DEC Envoy research. I'm assuming the answer is going to be "Yes, filler" but just wanted to be sure.

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Originally Posted by AR1978 (Post 3831155)

What you’re reading is a few extremely petty individuals unloading their grievances on not being hired at American. They haven’t worked a single day at American but want to lecture everyone on the “culture”, give me a break. As someone who’s been at American for almost 2 years now, they have no idea what they’re talking about. We have more sandbaggers at American than Kool Aid drinkers so the AA threads can be misleading.

To answer your question — Yes, unless you check some other boxes I wouldn’t expect to be hired by American before United, Delta, Southwest, etc. But I would absolutely have my apps out everywhere and update your American app after you’re picked off by a competitor. That is of course if American is your destination carrier.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3831171)

Agreed. I’ve been in property for just under a year and think the culture is pretty great. I’ve one down with one captain that I wanted to throat punch since I’ve been here, and I’ve flown a lot. I’m very happy with my choice to come to AA.