As I said about 10 days ago.... Within a few weeks there'll be significant news. They've alread announced a change in direction for the compay, (and they rolled that out a bit earlier than expected), next I'd expect to hear about more block hours remaining here much longer, much slower transfer of aircraft, and of course the upgrades.

The AA retirement numbers alone drive our flow and upgrades; we aren't growth dependant like many other places. Based on retirement numbers alone our whole list should flow over within 6 years. So, street hire now to AA at 6 years. Not a bad back up plan. If AA is on your career radar then coming through one of it's regionals may soon be the easiest way for anybody who isn't a rocket scientist or related to the Pope.


The best commuting policy in the industry. 6 missed trips unquestioned in a rolling 12 month period with unlimited at discretion of chief pilot

Hotel before/after trip sequences, or before/after blocks fo RSV days up to 4 times per month.

Hotels in base for any pilot who was scheduled a hotel elsewhere that night, and ends up cancelled or misconnected in domicile... and this applies to RSV's on trips as well.

Hotels in base before/after critical coverage OT

Hotels in DFW for short term training even if DFW based

Full paid parking wherever you commute in from, and full paid for those parking in base.

all OT is 150% and all critical coverage OT is 200% and FO's get 4 hour minimim


some Little things that make life easier that not all regionals have....

SIDA badges for your base

Global Access customs program through US DHS & ICE (fully reimbursed & good for 5 years)

All planes ACARS equiped

Full Electronic Weight and Balance Program - EWBS (very similar to AA's)

Full paperless cockpit program under way to replace everything including release and logbooks with ipad replacements. (I hear the other WO's will be piggybacking on our work in this area)

Full DECS/RES access
Jetaway app
Crew Check-In app
Mobile FOS-Sabre app


where's your corporate HQ? an airport hanger building or storefront type office?
Here's ours.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti96LQ9RNp8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Envoy_Air_HQ.JPG

38 Universities now in our Pilot Pipeline program too.


It's a good time to be an Envoy pilot.

That's quite the hard sell you're putting on there Ray. Why the 180 degree flip flop?

Announced a "change in direction" for the company ? I must have missed that. All I've seen so far is a letter from Wilson describing some hypothetical projections in upgrade time and flow through, NONE of which can be quantified and ALL of which require a 50 pilot-per month hiring schedule to be met each and every month for the forseeable future. You're spinning this like an airline executive with an agenda and parroting the same beliefs ad nauseum won't increase the odds of Wilson claims become more true.

How many times are you going to parrot THIS ?

You've said this perhaps half a dozen times if not more already. In the Wizard of Oz, Dorothy clicked here heels to get back home, but this cyber-version of the same thing isn't going to improve the odds for any new-hires to get to AA. Reality and fantasy aren't the same thing and so far all your cyber heel-clicking is fantasy.

I've heard that he's not doing this for the people who have him by the kiwis, but for himself to minimize any possible hiccup to his future flow to AA. If true, I suppose I can't blame him as traditionally at Eagle/Envoy ALPA reps have always used others to grease their ejection seat mechanism. I think some know the present situation as tenuous at best and if they can represent Envoy as the new regional utopia of the industry, it maximizes the smooth and steady transfer of the rest of the 824 which includes most of the primary union reps.

It's a good time at Envoy to get out there and press the flesh and sell, sell, sell if you're close to bailing to AA.......... ;)

Nope, just keeping you invloved as heavilly as possible. Hopefully the spanking your about to take for all your wrong predictions will drive you away for good.

Doubtful, when you spend as much time trolling as he does on here, it is fairly obvious that his real life sucks. He needs this.

This is a little sad, as I type this there is a Piedmont ad below me trumpeting a "18-24 month upgrade and flow to AA in 5 years."

Why? because we're the better place to go.

There's still tons wrong with how they run our place; but go read some of the crap the others are doing to their pilots.

50% flow to fill all the AA retirements, and soon to be non-stop upgrades not dependant upon growth.

People have been hanging on a long time for the upgrades, to get off reserve, to stop worrying about being downgraded, to stop worrying of going back down onto reserve. Letting them see the light at the end of the tunnel is a good thing.

Yep, it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot

That is all dependent on getting 40ish new hires a month coming in our front doors and through training. Forgive us if we are slightly skeptical.

New hires will always go wherever the planes are and wherever the career progression is. In the past that was the quickie upgrade factories. These days it will be enhanced flow throughs combined with a relatively quick upgrade...say under 4 years.

The onus now is on the company to materialize all of this.