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PilotJ3 05-13-2014 08:08 PM



Originally Posted by Bzzt (Post 1642232)
Seems like you had the pulse of the previous negotiations but you're now out of the loop. AAG may also just simply have changed plans, but this development runs contrary to your last proclamation.

He could be correct. Remember that not only did the pilots blow a loogie at Parker with the concessions rejection, Envoy ALPA is now rubbing his face in it by assisting pilots with ejecting from Envoy. Him not being receptive to their overtures is a better bet then the opposite.
AAG is the one that made threats about closing ENV, they are the ones that said we are going to lose the CR7. They are the ones that have to get consequences, not us.

What's the consequences? Easy enough, our union working for us to help us move to better places. Pilots leaving because the company can't man up and say "ok guys, let's keep talking".

AAG is the one that closed the door after we voted. So I'm really enjoying the quite month from all the management BS and negotiations. We had a bad 3 years already, it's good to relieve some of the pressure.

Remember that ALPA was the one doing management work for the last 10yrs. Now management have to work for the first time in many years.

buddies8 05-13-2014 08:28 PM

lets just put this to rest, AAG can go shove it. There is no need to talk, we have a contract, PERIOD. They want to send the E175's else where, they can do what ever they want with them, main point is that AAG is going to have to pay a lot more for the non owned feeder to take the e175's.

Also for those who go around and say that eagle envoy is not cost competitive or cost to much because of it high seniority of pilots, you are going to have to show me financials compared to the other regionals of same size and no you can not use management says so. AAG will be saying that to APA soon also.

I am still waiting now three months for the announcement for these other feeders who were knocking down AAG door for the feed envoy was going to do with the e175, what is taking so long DUI DOUG, Kirby needs next months mortgage payment, whatis taking so long. Lets get it over with, AAG cant park aircraft fast enough to match the staffing loss as it is so the bad news wont make a difference.

JohnGardner 05-14-2014 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 1642653)
AAG will be saying that to APA soon also.

Wondered about this myself. I think everyone is assuming that USAir will be snapped up to APA rates. But I seen the more likely scenario as APA being told they need the structure, like we were told. I can't see them just agreeing to the pay disparity that easily. It is a false economy to suggest that they can't pay "more" for their feed than other airlines do. If that is even the case.

lakehouse 05-14-2014 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by JohnGardner (Post 1642714)
Wondered about this myself. I think everyone is assuming that USAir will be snapped up to APA rates. But I seen the more likely scenario as APA being told they need the structure, like we were told. I can't see them just agreeing to the pay disparity that easily. It is a false economy to suggest that they can't pay "more" for their feed than other airlines do. If that is even the case.

Also don't forget the elephant in the room, united is bleeding money like a gun shot wound. This isn't getting better and we are talking big money while delta and aag are making record profits.

If they go ch 11 before the mou rates which I think are summer 2016 American guys will be left screwed. The rates are setup to snap to the average of ual and dal.

buddies8 05-14-2014 05:52 AM

the current ceo will take UCAL to bankruptcy and then new CEO will bring them out of BK and a new paint scheme, but they will keep the uniforms.

V1 ROT8 05-14-2014 06:04 AM

We just got a company email stating that the latest vacancy bid that had already been awarded (DFW CRJ) has been canceled.

Fly FM-1, fly safe!

Crawl 05-14-2014 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by V1 ROT8 (Post 1642749)
We just got a company email stating that the latest vacancy bid that had already been awarded (DFW CRJ) has been canceled.

Fly FM-1, fly safe!

The line about how AAG management is still "dealing with the complexities of using multiple regional partners" was priceless. I have a "simple" solution for you...

Mason32 05-14-2014 06:21 AM

getting more details.
The offer was good enough that Envoy management backed it strongly enough that they pitched it to AAG themselves.

buddies8 05-14-2014 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1642756)
getting more details.
The offer was good enough that Envoy management backed it strongly enough that they pitched it to AAG themselves.

personally I believe if any good news comes out it will be near end of summer beginning of fall. but definitely would like the more info.

lakehouse 05-14-2014 06:58 AM

Sounds to me like usair management came and overrode our management. They had some short term plan on our side of the house and scot said oh no no no.

They have said this fall they will realign the rj side of the house, seems like that's the cause. Expect massive changes.


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