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tom11011 04-28-2014 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by JustAMushroom (Post 1631742)
I know this is sarcasm but these planes are due in first qrtr 2015. Whoever flys these would probably already have the training up and running by now. That leave just a handful of companies.

I would think you are right, you have to do proving runs as well. Who does the sim training flight safety?

ChinookDriver47 04-28-2014 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by erjf15 (Post 1631667)


.....................*deuces*

ERJF15 04-28-2014 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by ChinookDriver47 (Post 1631749)
.....................*deuces*

HA!! I didn't even realize that meme was wrong :p

pete2800 04-28-2014 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1631739)
Publicly traded companies are ran quarter to quarter. Only the current quarter is of any importance. Planning for the future, nah.

This, 100%. It's all about showing the biggest profit you can.... today. Who cares if next week you're bankrupt, that's irrelevant.

Spoiler 04-28-2014 02:15 PM

an argument for officers NOT to hold company stock

Kill Switch 04-28-2014 02:25 PM

At this point the initial bid will go to those companies with a standing training program for the 175...AAG will pay the child support to put those birds in the air because if they don't - then they will just look like fools because their carrot to envoy wasn't eaten.

The planes coming online later can be the negotiating ones...but right now AAG is just trying to get these birds in the air with the amount of having to take it in the shorts.

I see Compass getting 5, maybe 10. PSA doesn't deserve anything but their new shiny planes. PDT's training department is a train wreck. Republic, XJet and Enjoy already said go pound sand (thank you), SkyWest has 100 175's coming - which will replace their -200s (and who says they will actually fly all their orders and not lease some to others to make $$), AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???..., Endeavor is drowning in their own blood, and TSA and GoJet have no business taking 175s when their sister Compass already has a proven track record with them.

So point of the story...5-10 of AAG's shiny new jets MAY have a home. It's also known fact that TSA won't bid for flying if it will put it in the red...unlike others who will bid, go in the red for 3 of 5 years on the contract planning to win the bid after 5...

Pi$$ poor planning promotes pi$$ poor performance.

alaskadrifter 04-28-2014 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by Kill Switch (Post 1632007)
At this point the initial bid will go to those companies with a standing training program for the 175...AAG will pay the child support to put those birds in the air because if they don't - then they will just look like fools because their carrot to envoy wasn't eaten.

The planes coming online later can be the negotiating ones...but right now AAG is just trying to get these birds in the air with the amount of having to take it in the shorts.

I see Compass getting 5, maybe 10. PSA doesn't deserve anything but their new shiny planes. PDT's training department is a train wreck. Republic, XJet and Enjoy already said go pound sand (thank you), SkyWest has 100 175's coming - which will replace their -200s (and who says they will actually fly all their orders and not lease some to others to make $$), AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???..., Endeavor is drowning in their own blood, and TSA and GoJet have no business taking 175s when their sister Compass already has a proven track record with them.

So point of the story...5-10 of AAG's shiny new jets MAY have a home. It's also known fact that TSA won't bid for flying if it will put it in the red...unlike others who will bid, go in the red for 3 of 5 years on the contract planning to win the bid after 5...

Pi$$ poor planning promotes pi$$ poor performance.

Seems like the best place to put them would be on the USair side. Already have the training, and no problem finding pilots who want to be at a major.

gojo 04-28-2014 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Kill Switch (Post 1632007)
At this point the initial bid will go to those companies with a standing training program for the 175...AAG will pay the child support to put those birds in the air because if they don't - then they will just look like fools because their carrot to envoy wasn't eaten.

The planes coming online later can be the negotiating ones...but right now AAG is just trying to get these birds in the air with the amount of having to take it in the shorts.

I see Compass getting 5, maybe 10. PSA doesn't deserve anything but their new shiny planes. PDT's training department is a train wreck. Republic, XJet and Enjoy already said go pound sand (thank you), SkyWest has 100 175's coming - which will replace their -200s (and who says they will actually fly all their orders and not lease some to others to make $$), AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???..., Endeavor is drowning in their own blood, and TSA and GoJet have no business taking 175s when their sister Compass already has a proven track record with them.

So point of the story...5-10 of AAG's shiny new jets MAY have a home. It's also known fact that TSA won't bid for flying if it will put it in the red...unlike others who will bid, go in the red for 3 of 5 years on the contract planning to win the bid after 5...

Pi$$ poor planning promotes pi$$ poor performance.

Oh look, another newbie that's got it all figured out. You'd probably have better luck playing the odds in Vegas. And why put Endeavor into the equation, do you really think Delta would want to fly American passengers, or the other way around for that matter.

air101 04-28-2014 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by Kill Switch (Post 1632007)
At this point the initial bid will go to those companies with a standing training program for the 175...AAG will pay the child support to put those birds in the air because if they don't - then they will just look like fools because their carrot to envoy wasn't eaten.

The planes coming online later can be the negotiating ones...but right now AAG is just trying to get these birds in the air with the amount of having to take it in the shorts.

I see Compass getting 5, maybe 10. PSA doesn't deserve anything but their new shiny planes. PDT's training department is a train wreck. Republic, XJet and Enjoy already said go pound sand (thank you), SkyWest has 100 175's coming - which will replace their -200s (and who says they will actually fly all their orders and not lease some to others to make $$), AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???..., Endeavor is drowning in their own blood, and TSA and GoJet have no business taking 175s when their sister Compass already has a proven track record with them.

So point of the story...5-10 of AAG's shiny new jets MAY have a home. It's also known fact that TSA won't bid for flying if it will put it in the red...unlike others who will bid, go in the red for 3 of 5 years on the contract planning to win the bid after 5...

Pi$$ poor planning promotes pi$$ poor performance.

Ridiculous... they're not going to just contract out 5-10 jets that's just a waste of everyone's efforts. And they certainly won't be going to Compass.... They may split it between two carriers such as SkyWest to replace the current 200's they have flying for AA/US and then someone else. Republic can't handle it and neither can Mesa but by giving half to SkyWest that would give another operator time to get at 175 training program up and going.

seafeye 04-28-2014 04:03 PM

They still might go to Eagle. US Airways will just come back with a crappier deal each and every time. Eventually you will say Yes and they will have won.
They are going to win no matter what. It's like your little league hockey team playing at the stanley cup. You're gonna lose. The sooner you admit it, the less painful it will be.


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