No 175's for Envoy
 

American Airlines is talking to other airlines ? but not its own Envoy Air ? about getting its 76-seat jets | Dallas Morning News

Hope it's just another scare tactic.

Pretty sure everyone already knows that.

They say they have been talking for months. Guess the analysts wanted to know how much egg AAG has on its face, guess a lot. No pay no fly. They can get whomever they wish but they will have to pay a lot more for it to happen.

“We are in final negotiations with a couple of providers for placing the 175s. I’m not sure when we’ll announce something, but at some point we will, I believe, announce something,” Kirby said in response to a reporter question

Another very intelligent statement from AAG.
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Mil pilot from the get-go, new to the part 121 game and kind of confused... So they're shopping around for another regional to place these nice, shiny new jets - but in essentially the same sentence say that they want Eagle/envoy to be this wonderful place where pilots can "upgrade" to mainline flying with AA. If they are placing so much stock in envoy and their pilots, why not let them fly their new jets? Is this some sort of "spanking" by Inc. for not taking concessions?

They can be "in talks" with every regional in the US, but that doesn't mean that anyone they're talking to would actually be able to staff those airplanes.


Talk is cheap. Call me when they actually have the bollocks to paint those airplanes with a regional partner's name, and try to fly them.

Maybe they could i dunno........give them to Envoy...

No 175's for Envoy
 

Or put them on the AA seniority list with mainline pay and work rules. Then they wouldn't have staffing problems...

When did a 175 become a regional jet anyway? Regionals used to be 30-50 seat turboprop operators. Now they want us flying routes like IAH-IAD and LAX-MSP for $24/hour. Put them at mainline where they belong.

I wonder who the first regional will be to fly an A319 for $24/hour sometime in the future.

Anything new here? No...


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Admittedly I don't keep up with Eagle but this is new to me....

“We are in final negotiations with a couple of providers for placing the 175s. I’m not sure when we’ll announce something..."

60 planes aren't going to Eagle. Looking more official every day. Like someone above said, maybe they'll go on the AA certificate but more than likely Parker is gonna hand them to his buddy JO.

AAG is about a decade behind Delta. As Delta looks to reduce their regional footprint, AAG is trying to expand. The E175,CRJ700/900 are not regional airplanes at all. But bankruptcy judges have allowed the argument of the various main lines to reduce scope in order to be competitive.

What the mainline pilots weren't able to keep in the courtroom, they'll eventually get back with attrition and shortages at the regional level.

AAG will probably find carriers to fly these. But it is more likely that the new airplane placement will not represent any growth at an airline, other smaller and less efficient airplanes would just be replaced. And that is probably a sticking point in the negotiations- the regional airline(s) who flies them will certainly want protections against any loss of removing a 50 seat airplane and replacing it with a 70 seat.

Most other regionals are under contracts with other mainlines. Take Mesa for example, they can't park a CRJ flown for another mainline and replace it with an AA 175. Even the wholly owned PDT can't replace dash 8 flying with 175s. In theory I guess they could just close their dash routes, but that's a lot of flying to just get rid of.

AA is unwilling to increase their regional subsidiary's pay even 20%. Why would they pay an even higher premium to bring them to mainline?

scream about regional rates while ****ing away millions in equity destruction - then pay another contractor MORE than Envoy 8 yr contract rates.
them college boys are smart

Maybe those RFP's will be met with the sound of crickets since no one can staff them

Crickets is what I am hearing. Deals taking to long to be made since AAG said other regionals were salivating at to possibility to grab eagle flying. Summer is coming and the fun is to begin.

Publicly traded companies are ran quarter to quarter. Only the current quarter is of any importance. Planning for the future, nah.

I know this is sarcasm but these planes are due in first qrtr 2015. Whoever flys these would probably already have the training up and running by now. That leave just a handful of companies.

I would think you are right, you have to do proving runs as well. Who does the sim training flight safety?

.....................*deuces*

HA!! I didn't even realize that meme was wrong :p

This, 100%. It's all about showing the biggest profit you can.... today. Who cares if next week you're bankrupt, that's irrelevant.

an argument for officers NOT to hold company stock

At this point the initial bid will go to those companies with a standing training program for the 175...AAG will pay the child support to put those birds in the air because if they don't - then they will just look like fools because their carrot to envoy wasn't eaten.

The planes coming online later can be the negotiating ones...but right now AAG is just trying to get these birds in the air with the amount of having to take it in the shorts.

I see Compass getting 5, maybe 10. PSA doesn't deserve anything but their new shiny planes. PDT's training department is a train wreck. Republic, XJet and Enjoy already said go pound sand (thank you), SkyWest has 100 175's coming - which will replace their -200s (and who says they will actually fly all their orders and not lease some to others to make $$), AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???..., Endeavor is drowning in their own blood, and TSA and GoJet have no business taking 175s when their sister Compass already has a proven track record with them.

So point of the story...5-10 of AAG's shiny new jets MAY have a home. It's also known fact that TSA won't bid for flying if it will put it in the red...unlike others who will bid, go in the red for 3 of 5 years on the contract planning to win the bid after 5...

Pi$$ poor planning promotes pi$$ poor performance.

Seems like the best place to put them would be on the USair side. Already have the training, and no problem finding pilots who want to be at a major.

Oh look, another newbie that's got it all figured out. You'd probably have better luck playing the odds in Vegas. And why put Endeavor into the equation, do you really think Delta would want to fly American passengers, or the other way around for that matter.

Ridiculous... they're not going to just contract out 5-10 jets that's just a waste of everyone's efforts. And they certainly won't be going to Compass.... They may split it between two carriers such as SkyWest to replace the current 200's they have flying for AA/US and then someone else. Republic can't handle it and neither can Mesa but by giving half to SkyWest that would give another operator time to get at 175 training program up and going.

They still might go to Eagle. US Airways will just come back with a crappier deal each and every time. Eventually you will say Yes and they will have won.
They are going to win no matter what. It's like your little league hockey team playing at the stanley cup. You're gonna lose. The sooner you admit it, the less painful it will be.

Why would it get worse? The 2 times they came back the deal got better.

Someone's got a case of the Mondays ^^^^

Not you bretthull

I never said I had it "figured out" nor do I really care to try to. Assuming I'm a newbie because I don't sit on APC and have triple or quadruple number posts is presumptuous. I've been in the industry long enough to know that we all don't know anything about what's going to happen tomorrow. I've also flown in places that your ILS approach and hot coffee won't be found...

I simply laid out the realistic means of what I THINK.

Endeavor is just a bleeding deer that was shot and wandered off into the woods to die...

SKW may have 3,000+ pilots, but why would they take on a large fleet additive from AA when they have their own coming?

In the end - we are the pawns...and sooner or later when management and the fat pocketed head honchos figure out how to masquerade the board for their checkmate - there will still be the "newbies"/scabs willing to fly the planes for less than we're worth.

Me? I filled out all my TPS reports years ago...I like where I sleep.

Fair enough. I guess I missed the part where you said "I think". I'm still trying to figure out why you keep bringing up Endeavor, and what they have to do with American. Anyway, good luck to all

You're right - I should have never included them in, but I was thinking of places that had no reason to even be in the mix.

And I agree with the fact that Compass can't take them - I was just saying that they have potential to take a few - considering they have the program and a proven track record with the 175, but my end goal was to prove that it's a small percentage of a possibility.

I hope Envoy gets them and AAG get's there head out of their you know what and stops offering mcdonalds wages for 2000nm aircraft...that's not REGIONAL.

But why pay more than pilots are willing to take.......the sad fact is that the public still thinks we make 1970 wages and have the "why did you kick my dog" look when I inform them of the wages guys make flying 80,000lb pieces of metal everyday.

Personally, nothing would make me happier than AAG trying to find a home for their airplanes and not being able to find one. Actually, AAG having to eat crow and offer their pilots, at Envoy, the airplanes and more money would make me happier.

There's not enough pilots to cover growth anywhere at the rates they want to pay. Game over. It's time to sweeten the pot a little

Really? How about...Money?