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Originally Posted by lavMan
(Post 1710981)
For the 824, your doh starts over for pilot seniority. Your original DOH is used to determine vacation bidding (overall with the corporation). So by year two, you can bid as many weeks as your original doh allows. So you can be the most Jr pilot and have a doh on your ID from 15yrs ago.
After 2011, I have no idea, someone else will have to chime in. I'm not up to speed. |
Originally Posted by Bzzt
(Post 1710991)
Last I read the "protected pilot group" goes over as a brand new hire, including company seniority. So whatever date you eventually flow will be your company seniority date for vacation, sick, etc.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot
(Post 1711054)
Lavman stand correct.
This is a corporate policy that transcends and rules over all divisions. For example, if an AA flight attendant with twenty years seniority decided to take a job as a new hire FO at AE, she or he would be a new hire PILOT, but not a corporate new hire. She or he would be a divisional transfer, thus would take AAG benefits. I actually know somebody who did JUST that many years ago. Corporate policy in that regard has not changed. However, when one transfers from one division to the another, one does not CARRY OVER their previous year's vacation accrual. It is paid out, if any is left. Also, the accrual for vacation is earned in the year previous to the actual vacation, so in a real sense, since one has no accrual from the previous year (it was paid out upon transfer), one will essentially have little to no vacation for the first year after transfer. The second year, one will have accrued ALL of what he or she is entitled to. This is my situation (not that I can afford to take any vacation this year anyway). ;) Now, for BIDDING of vacation, that's a different matter. You will bid as your AA seniority allows. So, forget any major holiday periods. |
Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 1711123)
This is incorrect. The AAG benefits are carried over - benefits such as length of service for vacation accrual, etc.
This is a corporate policy that transcends and rules over all divisions. For example, if an AA flight attendant with twenty years seniority decided to take a job as a new hire FO at AE, she or he would be a new hire PILOT, but not a corporate new hire. She or he would be a divisional transfer, thus would take AAG benefits. I actually know somebody who did JUST that many years ago. Corporate policy in that regard has not changed. However, when one transfers from one division to the another, one does not CARRY OVER their previous year's vacation accrual. It is paid out, if any is left. Also, the accrual for vacation is earned in the year previous to the actual vacation, so in a real sense, since one has no accrual from the previous year (it was paid out upon transfer), one will essentially have little to no vacation for the first year after transfer. The second year, one will have accrued ALL of what he or she is entitled to. This is my situation (not that I can afford to take any vacation this year anyway). ;) Now, for BIDDING of vacation, that's a different matter. You will bid as your AA seniority allows. So, forget any major holiday periods. |
They ARE treated entirely as new hires, other than carrying over corporate benefits, in terms of years of service. Vacation accrual is an example. This is not a negotiated issue. It's simply an AAG corporate policy for intercompany transfers.
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According to Val J. the group after the 824 do not carry over any vacation seniority or short term sick accrual. He told me that about two months ago.
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450 is correct. Your time at AMR aag a count as one for vacation accrual and vesting. But the preferred flows go at year one pay and are on probation. There seniority for bidding is year one and the accrual is your years of service to the corporation. Vacation and sick do not carry over you start at zero. You carry no seniority with you when you flow just years of service for vacation and vesting in 401k.
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Travel benefits were originally included but no longer applies. Previously, you needed 5 years to have free domestic coach. If you transfered overin the PP or 824, you would carry your time at AMR/AAG so that would NOT reset (and thus have to do 5 years again). However, as travel is now free immediately, that point no longer applies.
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
(Post 1711123)
This is incorrect. The AAG benefits are carried over - benefits such as length of service for vacation accrual, etc.
This is a corporate policy that transcends and rules over all divisions. For example, if an AA flight attendant with twenty years seniority decided to take a job as a new hire FO at AE, she or he would be a new hire PILOT, but not a corporate new hire. She or he would be a divisional transfer, thus would take AAG benefits. I actually know somebody who did JUST that many years ago. Corporate policy in that regard has not changed. However, when one transfers from one division to the another, one does not CARRY OVER their previous year's vacation accrual. It is paid out, if any is left. Also, the accrual for vacation is earned in the year previous to the actual vacation, so in a real sense, since one has no accrual from the previous year (it was paid out upon transfer), one will essentially have little to no vacation for the first year after transfer. The second year, one will have accrued ALL of what he or she is entitled to. This is my situation (not that I can afford to take any vacation this year anyway). ;) Now, for BIDDING of vacation, that's a different matter. You will bid as your AA seniority allows. So, forget any major holiday periods. |
Originally Posted by Tsuda
(Post 1711160)
According to Val J. the group after the 824 do not carry over any vacation seniority or short term sick accrual. He told me that about two months ago.
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