Need Advice - Comparing Offers-Express/Envoy
#11
ATP would probably be in a bit less than two years, yeah. I realize that things can change a lot in that time span, especially with the current nature of the industry. As I said in an earlier reply, getting my bearings early on. Will be much easier to keep track of how these (and other airlines) are progressing if I start now rather than playing catchup later. Hell, I feel like I'm playing catchup already as I read through the forum.
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If you are "hired" through the Envoy offer and get flight benefits while instructing is there any penalty for then not taking the job when you have ATP minimums? If Expressjet is in hiring mode when you hit ATP minimums I doubt you'll have any difficulty getting hired there. I say enjoy the AA flight benefits for now and make a decision when you actually have the flight time.
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Also, don't base your hiring on quick upgrade either. That can change very fast. Don't sell yourself short for a quick upgrade. It's cool when you know you will upgrade in a few years, but sucks when trips get canceled and you get no cancellation pay, no trip/duty rigs, 50% deadhead pay, etc.
#16
Do remember that you can go one place, get some 121 time and then go some place else better. You don't have to stay with the same regional for 5+ years. Your marketability increases as you get some jet time under your belt. So if you aren't competitive for one of the "good" regionals right now, you will be after one year at XJT or Eagle...keep that in mind as well.
One thing to constantly remember is that this is a business...and it doesn't care about the time you spent preparing for it or your passion for flying airplanes. Treat it as such. The business exists to make money...so do you. AMR wasn't able to make money with Eagle on their terms so what are they doing to them? Comair II and shifting flying to other carriers. None of these companies are going to pay you what you're worth, so what should you do? Use them in the same fashion and shift your talent around to the carriers that enable you to get where you ultimately want to be. The sooner you get on board with that mentality, the easier it will be to not become demoralized.
There is no pilot shortage, but the retirement numbers at the legacies are no lie. So long as they keep making money, hiring should continue and you are in a good position to take advantage of that. Good luck!!!
One thing to constantly remember is that this is a business...and it doesn't care about the time you spent preparing for it or your passion for flying airplanes. Treat it as such. The business exists to make money...so do you. AMR wasn't able to make money with Eagle on their terms so what are they doing to them? Comair II and shifting flying to other carriers. None of these companies are going to pay you what you're worth, so what should you do? Use them in the same fashion and shift your talent around to the carriers that enable you to get where you ultimately want to be. The sooner you get on board with that mentality, the easier it will be to not become demoralized.
There is no pilot shortage, but the retirement numbers at the legacies are no lie. So long as they keep making money, hiring should continue and you are in a good position to take advantage of that. Good luck!!!
#17
Enough with the fluffy "good job in doing research" and the girly" good lucks". What this kid needs is a forty of reality in this industry. Not another mother to coddle him and tell him how proud she is of his spelling test results. Let show this little $hit some tough love.
Alright you puke, this industry ain't no playground. At the end of the day, it's about MCE. Maximum Cash Extraction. That's your one and only goal. Why? Because of bi***es. Bi***es care about one thing. Boats. And boats cost money. So consider the regionals all you want but keep you dirty little eyes open for dirty bi***es and other opportunities outside the regionals to make coin. And don't listen to your stupid professors. They are completely out of touch with the industry. Sheeeeit, they're still teaching about how the public is scared of turbo props cuz of the recent string of crashes...in the 90s. Dunces.
Live it up kid. It you go with a regional, get in early... but then get the f$&k out early too. Ain't no long term life at one. I did my time. I spent half a decade at cell block G in the Cumberland wing of O'hare correctional facility. Shared a cell with 11 other dudes. All like me, looking to get out. They couldn't cuz of family and kids. So what I'm saying is have multiple bi***es. Hoes on different corners. Don't be settling down with a main bi*** til you at a job where u stayin long term. You gotz to stay fluid. Flexible. At a moments notice, grab your piece and roll. Boom!
Yea. That's what it's all about.
Alright you puke, this industry ain't no playground. At the end of the day, it's about MCE. Maximum Cash Extraction. That's your one and only goal. Why? Because of bi***es. Bi***es care about one thing. Boats. And boats cost money. So consider the regionals all you want but keep you dirty little eyes open for dirty bi***es and other opportunities outside the regionals to make coin. And don't listen to your stupid professors. They are completely out of touch with the industry. Sheeeeit, they're still teaching about how the public is scared of turbo props cuz of the recent string of crashes...in the 90s. Dunces.
Live it up kid. It you go with a regional, get in early... but then get the f$&k out early too. Ain't no long term life at one. I did my time. I spent half a decade at cell block G in the Cumberland wing of O'hare correctional facility. Shared a cell with 11 other dudes. All like me, looking to get out. They couldn't cuz of family and kids. So what I'm saying is have multiple bi***es. Hoes on different corners. Don't be settling down with a main bi*** til you at a job where u stayin long term. You gotz to stay fluid. Flexible. At a moments notice, grab your piece and roll. Boom!
Yea. That's what it's all about.
#19
Unless you plan to make a career at a regional, don't go to a career regional. Go where there is growth and movement. Ignore "guaranteed" job offers. If they need people so bad that they're trying to lock you in now, that should be a warning sign. Big LOL at "tour the Delta Facilities". XJT has no access to any Delta Facilities, except maybe the concourse C bag room at ATL. Don't be swindled.
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