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Old 09-07-2014 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by CLTFlyGuy
Wow. You are so tuff with you inaccurate information man. Don't know where you got your info from but you are wrong. Nice try though.
Oh really? Shall I post your unicorn picture for all to see, along with a link to your facebook page? Or how about the picture of you proudly wearing a PSA Inflight Training Academy shirt? Or how about the numerous pictures of you in a PSA flight attendant uniform, do you just play dress up for fun?

Go ahead, make your profile private or whatever you want, the cat's out of the bag now.

Everyone else: Look for a new pro PSA, Eagle bashing screen name around here soon, this guy is too desperate to not get a cheap rise out of playing make believe pilot.

Hey CLTflyguy, are you going to delete your Jetcareers account, too?

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Old 09-07-2014 | 05:16 AM
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Oh snap, an imposter! Need proof.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
You've been told repeatedly that is not true. Check your facts, and stop repeating and spreading lies.
What are you smoking?? Not a single person denied this. I wasn't even sure if it was public knowledge within eagle but I guess it was. You're the first who said it's not true so I have no idea where I was told repeatedly it's not true.
Even if is true. PSA backstab us? And now you feel bad if we try to go ahead and try to be first at mainline? Remember we have 50 seaters only, you guys will have years of work.

So it's good to get concessions and have new airplanes at expenses of other, but if not good if someone gets ahead of you?

Well though luck, once PSA brings as much people they can on board, they will lock the flow doors. With hold as much as they can until December each year, because they will not be able to lose as much staffing constantly. Meanwhile everybody will be waiting for the flow.

If you guys have 1,000 pilots, the last one will flow in 20 years. Exactly how management want it. But they are selling "you will be at mainline in 5 years".

Open your eyes man, PSA deal is worst than you think. But time will tell...

If you want a real flow, you should have voted no the first time.now suck it up, because will be long time capped at yr 12.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:29 AM
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If I remember correctly, the ownership of the 700s were transferred to AMR from l-eagle back in 2011 before chapter 11.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JT8D
Oh really? Shall I post your unicorn picture for all to see, along with a link to your facebook page? Or how about the picture of you proudly wearing a PSA Inflight Training Academy shirt? Or how about the numerous pictures of you in a PSA flight attendant uniform, do you just play dress up for fun?

Go ahead, make your profile private or whatever you want, the cat's out of the bag now.

Everyone else: Look for a new pro PSA, Eagle bashing screen name around here soon, this guy is too desperate to not get a cheap rise out of playing make believe pilot.

Hey CLTflyguy, are you going to delete your Jetcareers account, too?
Someone needs to tell PSA inflight department about this.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb
What are you smoking?? Not a single person denied this. I wasn't even sure if it was public knowledge within eagle but I guess it was. You're the first who said it's not true so I have no idea where I was told repeatedly it's not true.
Here is the version that was rejected:

Letter of Agreement XX-XX: Enhanced Flow Rights


LETTER OF AGREEMENT
among
AMERICAN AIRLINES, INC.
and
AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES, INC.
and
THE AIRLINE PILOTS
in the service of
AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES, INC.
as represented by
THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
__________________________________________________ ________________________________

Enhanced Flow Rights
__________________________________________________ ________________________________

This Letter of Agreement is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of Title II of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and among American Airlines, Inc. (“American” or “AA”), American Eagle Airlines, Inc. (“Eagle” or the “Company”) and the pilots in the service of American Eagle Airlines, Inc. as represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (“ALPA”).
WHEREAS, an agreement has been reached on provisions to place EMB-175 jet aircraft at Eagle and to provide for enhanced flow rights to American for the Eagle pilots;

NOW THEREFORE, the Parties hereby agree as follows:

A. Beginning with AA’s September 2014 new hire classes, as the sole modification of its obligations under the Opinion and Award dated April 9, 2010 in case FLO-0108, Eagle will increase its obligation to release pilots to AA as Flowthrough Pilots from a minimum of 20 to a minimum of 30 per month. The obligation to release a minimum of 30 pilots per month also applies with respect to all Flowthrough Pilots transferring after the 824.


B. Effective September 1, 2014, the percentage of positions in AA new hire classes available to pilots on the Eagle Pilots Seniority List as of October 11, 2011 (“Protected Pilots”) as referenced in Letters 12-03 and 12-04 of the Eagle-ALPA Agreement will be increased from a minimum of 35% to a minimum of 50%. Such positions will be made available to Eagle pilots in accordance with the provisions of Letters 12-03 and 12-04

C. Effective January 1, 2015, for any calendar year in which AA hires 720 or more pilots, American Airlines will offer positions to, and Eagle will release, no less than 360 Eagle pilots, regardless of whether such positions exceed the minimum monthly requirements referenced in paragraphs A or B., above. Effective January 1, 2015, for any calendar year in which AA hires less than 720 pilots, American Airlines will offer 50% of the total annual new hire positions to Eagle pilots. In addition to the above requirements, the Company and the Association will meet prior to the first day of each calendar quarter to monitor compliance with the annual new hire position requirements set forth in this paragraph to ensure that the Company will have released the requisite number of pilots by December 31st.

D. Pilots placed on the Eagle Pilots Seniority List after October 11, 2011 will be offered positions in AA new hire classes in accordance with Letters 12-03 and 12-04 of the Eagle-ALPA Agreement and paragraphs A, B, and C above, except that a pilot with an active Performance Advisory or Attendance Control Policy Advisory will not be eligible for a position in an AA new hire class under this Letter of Agreement until such advisory has expired.
1. A pilot who is otherwise eligible to flow to AA under the provisions of this paragraph D. may elect to have his/her pending grievance of an active Performance Advisory or Attendance Control Policy Advisory resolved under the expedited procedures provided in this paragraph D. An initial hearing will be conducted before the Vice President of Flight Operations or his designee within 10 days after the pilot gives written notice of his/her election to utilize this procedure. In order to be eligible to use the expedited arbitration process described in paragraph D.2., below, the pilot must attend the initial hearing in person.
2. If the grievance remains unresolved after the initial hearing, the Company and Association will cooperate to arbitrate such pilot’s grievance before the Pilots’ System Board of Adjustment, sitting with a neutral selected under Section 21.D, within ninety (90) days following the pilot’s election to have his grievance resolved pursuant to this expedited procedure. The provisions of Section 21.H shall apply except that decisions of the neutrals under this procedure shall be expedited and shall be issued as “bench” decisions whenever possible. Written briefs will not be available under this procedure and stenographic services shall not be used to transcribe the hearing. The expenses of the hearing will be borne equally by the Association and the Company.

E. Until the operational merger of US Airways and American Airlines is complete and a single operating certificate has been issued to American Airlines by the Federal Aviation Administration (“FAA”), and subject to the 30 pilot per month minimum requirement established by paragraph A, 50% of the positions in US Airways new hire classes (less positions committed, now or in the future, to PSA and Piedmont pilots) will be offered to Eagle pilots, subject to the new hire provisions in place at US Airways. This offer commitment will be deemed to be fulfilled based on offers made to Eagle pilots, regardless of whether the offer(s) is/are accepted, or whether the Eagle pilot fails to appear or delays appearance as scheduled for an assigned new hire class date, or fails training. After the issuance by the FAA of a single operating certificate to American Airlines, new hire positions committed to pilots other than those on the Eagle system seniority list will not count toward satisfaction of the 50% requirement. After the issuance by the FAA of a single operating certificate to American Airlines, under no circumstances will the Company withhold pilots such that fewer than 30 Eagle pilots per month are able to flow to American Airlines. Moreover, within 30 days after the issuance by the FAA of a single operating certificate to American Airlines, the parties will meet and discuss additional enhancements to the provisions of this Letter of Agreement.

F. This Letter of Agreement is contingent upon the ratification of Letter of Agreement XX-XX (EMB-175 Jet Order) between Eagle and its pilots as represented by ALPA. This Letter of Agreement will become effective on _______, 2014 and shall continue in full force and effect for the same duration, and subject to the same amendable date as, the Eagle Pilot Collective Bargaining Agreement, except that this Letter of Agreement will be null and void in its entirety if no EMB-175 jet aircraft deliveries, pursuant to the “Commitment of EMB-175 Jets to American Eagle Airlines, Inc.” Letter from AMR Corporation to ALPA dated ____, 2014, occur by December 31, 2015.
G. Nothing in this Letter of Agreement compromises the Association’s position with respect to the withholding dispute in FLO-0108.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned parties have signed this Letter of Agreement this _______ day of ______ 2014.
Yeah, we weren't looking out for you too at all were we? You've been lied to, and are spreading lies. I'll dig up the later versions - also voted NO - that also DO NOT include what you're saying.

There was a version in negotiations that included the first 30 slots in any class; which would total 360 for a year; but it never ever said the first 360 each year. You're being mislead, gee... I wonder why?
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Da Magic
Oh snap, an imposter! Need proof.
Plenty of proof. PM sent.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:42 AM
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Is Pilot Crusader/Mason 32/Cujo all one in the same the NY status rep? If so I think that says a lot about the disfunctionality of the EGL MEC.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:43 AM
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Bomb = pwned

Someone is not a scapegoat if they are guilty.
Old 09-07-2014 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Joliet
Is Pilot Crusader/Mason 32/Cujo all one in the same the NY status rep? If so I think that says a lot about the disfunctionality of the EGL MEC.
You should practice thinking and get better at it. There was nothing dysfunctional about the eagle MEC. They represented the pilot group perfectly as proven by the vote. PSAs MEC did the same as proven by their vote. Thus enabling anyone to make broad assertions about both pilot groups, their courage (or lack thereof) and their willingness to step over someone's grave (or lack thereof).

Btw, you're still a troll.
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