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AnotherEagleGuy 11-21-2014 05:59 AM


Originally Posted by fisherman (Post 1767885)
I completely agree with you on this!!!!!!!


Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond (Post 1767890)
Amen! I would love for it to happen - as would most of us.

Even if the airplane and pay were the same, I would like the chance to work directly for mainline from the beginning and work my way up.

Remember, for every PSA or PDT contract, it just means more time spent at a regional as management justifies its means.

I've said before, there is a war going on. There will be winners, losers, cowards, and martyrs.

Eagle is still fighting the fight, but the real battle is at AA right now on scope. I'm pretty sure who will win this battle, but lets see how it plays out.

tom11011 11-21-2014 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1767901)
I'm pretty sure who will win this battle, but lets see how it plays out.

What is your guess on who wins this battle? I have no idea personally.

AnotherEagleGuy 11-21-2014 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by tom11011 (Post 1767921)
What is your guess on who wins this battle? I have no idea personally.

APA, no question. They have told Parker on multiple occasions they will not give on scope, and he just keeps asking for it. If it goes to arbitration, scope is off the table.

I'm sure there is a thread on it in the AA section somewhere.

As of last night, APA decided to continue talks. Today should have another announcement of some sort about it.

billyho 11-21-2014 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1767901)
Remember, for every PSA or PDT contract, it just means more time spent at a regional as management justifies its means.

How will this mean more time spent at a regional???

AnotherEagleGuy 11-21-2014 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1767938)
How will this mean more time spent at a regional???

I wouldn't expect a YES voting, bar lowering, pilot group to understand that the concept. We already tried to educate your group and failed. Figure it out yourself.

billyho 11-21-2014 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1767947)
I wouldn't expect a YES voting, bar lowering, pilot group to understand that the concept. We already tried to educate your group and failed. Figure it out yourself.

So you're saying everyone has to go to American? :rolleyes:

bedrock 11-21-2014 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1767938)
How will this mean more time spent at a regional???


As long as regionals are way cheaper than mainline and regional pilots are willing to degrade themselves through endless concessions on their already grossly underpaid salaries and largely poor QOL, the regionals will expand at the expense of mainline jobs. It is a tragedy that this isn't patently obvious by now.

billyho 11-21-2014 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by bedrock (Post 1768018)
As long as regionals are way cheaper than mainline and regional pilots are willing to degrade themselves through endless concessions on their already grossly underpaid salaries and largely poor QOL, the regionals will expand at the expense of mainline jobs. It is a tragedy that this isn't patently obvious by now.

You mean as long as Mainline Pilots don't give up scope. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

AdiosMikeFox 11-21-2014 10:17 AM

ENVOY presented with details on new contract
 
It works both ways. No matter how much you try to wash your hands they won't come clean.

Don't try to make someone else responsible.

AnotherEagleGuy 11-21-2014 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1768103)
You mean as long as Mainline Pilots don't give up scope. Don't hate the players, hate the game.

Now your blaming mainline for the regional race to the bottom?

Are the to blame for regional existing? YES

Are they to blame for one pilot group undercutting another for SJS?

Look no further than the mirror for that answer.


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1732724)
Hate to say it but it was time for Piedmont Pilots to start worring about ourselves and let someone else that has some significants fall on the sword.


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1726847)
But I along with many won't fall on the sword for anyone else


Originally Posted by billyho (Post 1712462)
I for one will not fall on my sword for this regional model! This will pass at Piedmont by over 70%. It's done.



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